PORTRAITS

PORTRAITS

National Portrait Gallery

Art, biography, history and identity collide in this podcast from the Smithsonian National Portrait Gallery. Join Director Kim Sajet as she chats with artists, historians, and thought leaders about the big and small ways that portraits shape our world.

Bonus: The Whole Truth

Bonus: The Whole Truth

From the Smithsonian's Sidedoor podcast: sorting fact from fiction to find the real Sojourner Truth.As a prominent woman's rights activist and abolitionist, Sojourner Truth gave hundreds of speeches and sold countless images of herself. And yet the words that define her in our popular imagination - "Ain't I a woman?" - were actually made up.Host Lizzie Peabody went looking for the real Sojourner Truth and she found a woman with a much more complicated and fascinating life than any slogan can cap

Feb 4, • 34:30

Who Built This Place?

Who Built This Place?

We follow a paper trail back in time to learn about the laborers -- some of them enslaved -- who put their backs into the graceful old building that now houses the National Portrait Gallery.When construction began on the building in the 1830s, Washington D.C. was in the midst of a mini building boom as a seat of freedom and democracy. Yet the city also had an active slave trade. By sifting through reams of microfilm and estate records, historian Michael Hussey was able to establish that at least

Jan 21, • 24:02

In Memoriam: Former President Jimmy Carter

In Memoriam: Former President Jimmy Carter

We remember former President Jimmy Carter through a slightly different lens-- through the eyes of a longtime friend and through the portraits of Carter that are housed here at the National Portrait Gallery.Political aide Jack Watson met Carter 10 years before he became president. He found a farmer in work clothes driving a Chevy and quoting philosophy. Over their long friendship and while serving as chief of staff, Jack came to appreciate Carter as a man who was willing to take "bitter medicine"

Jan 9, • 21:01

Blink: Carter's Smile

Blink: Carter's Smile

In this mini 'Blink' episode, Kim asks political aide Jack Watson for his thoughts on a couple of Time magazine covers featuring his old boss, former President Jimmy Carter. One depicts the transition team that helped Carter sift through potential political appointees -- a team that Jack led. The other depicts Carter with his characteristic broad smile, which, Jack says, doesn't tell the whole story.See the artwork we discussed:The Great Talent Hunt, by Jack DavisJimmy Carter, by Alan Reingold

Dec 17, 2024 • 7:16

From The Vault: Brilliant Exiles

From The Vault: Brilliant Exiles

Paris in the early 1900s was a magnet for convention-defying American women. It offered a delicious taste of freedom, which they used to explode the gender norms of their day, and to explore new kinds of art, literature, dance and design. In the process, they became arbiters of modernism.In this episode we revisit our interview with curator Robyn Asleson about the National Portrait Gallery’s “Brilliant Exiles” exhibition, which opened in April. It features 60 trailblazing women, including the da

Dec 3, 2024 • 27:29

Sitting (Still) For History

Sitting (Still) For History

Every time a president leaves office they're asked to do something that might not come naturally-- sit still, be quiet and surrender to someone else's work. In other words, they have their portrait painted.The National Portrait Gallery and the White House Historical Association both commission portraits of the outgoing president and first lady. Several of the paintings have become iconic images, stamped on history. Others have been known to stop viewers in their tracks. Some have been unloved. I

Nov 19, 2024 • 23:39

Women Who Dared

Women Who Dared

In 1872, decades before women were legally allowed to vote, Victoria Woodhull made an audacious run for the White House. The press ridiculed her stance on 'free love' and she spent election night in jail. But she had put the first small crack in one of the thickest glass ceilings around. Twelve years later Belva Lockwood, the first woman to argue before the Supreme Court, took another swing at it. We celebrate Election Day with a look back at some of the first women who dared to run for the high

Nov 5, 2024 • 26:30

Campaigns Past: Cowboy Hats and Hard Cider

Campaigns Past: Cowboy Hats and Hard Cider

With Election Day just around the corner, we go back in time to figure out how early presidential candidates got their message, and their image, in front of voters. It wasn't easy. Asking directly for people's vote was seen as undignified, so candidates mostly stayed home in the early 1800s. As a result, most Americans didn't know for sure what their candidates looked like, or sounded like.Kim speaks with curator Claire Jerry,  from the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History, about th

Oct 22, 2024 • 24:40

Season 6 Trailer

Season 6 Trailer

We're back! Season six of PORTRAITS hits your feed Oct. 22 with a new slate of shows that use artwork to decode our world. Kim Sajet, director of the National Portrait Gallery, talks with guests about presidential campaigns, scientific discoveries and some of the currents running through today’s cultural landscape.

Oct 15, 2024 • 1:43

From The Vault: ART-ificial Intelligence

From The Vault: ART-ificial Intelligence

As AI art gets more and more sophisticated, how do we tell the difference between a portrait that’s created by a human being – with a soul – and art that’s created by a complex algorithm? And if we can’t tell the difference, will artists be out of a job?Oxford mathematician Marcus du Sautoy explains how AI art works, and why he thinks code can actually help artists to expand their creative universe.But there’s one big question that remains: What does AI art tell us about the inner world of AI it

Aug 22, 2024 • 23:54

Blink: First, Put The Camera Down

Blink: First, Put The Camera Down

In this mini episode from our 'Blink' series, Rick Chapman shares stories from photographing elite athletes who have competed in the Olympic Games. The first step, he says, is to put the camera down. The second is not to talk about sports too much.Rick's ESPY Collection, for ESPN, features 40 celebrity athletes, including boxers, tennis stars and basketball royalty. You can find it here.See the portraits we discussed:Venus Williams, black and whiteVenus Williams, colorShaun White, black and whit

Aug 8, 2024 • 7:01

Blink: First Photo Of A First Lady

Blink: First Photo Of A First Lady

Dolley Madison was eight years old when the Declaration of Independence was signed, and 40 when her husband James became president. In her late 70s she sat for a photograph, becoming the first (former) first lady to do so. Then, this summer, the National Portrait Gallery acquired it.In this mini 'Blink' episode, Kim speaks with Ann Shumard, senior curator of photographs, to hear how this rare daguerreotype came to light and how the Gallery was able to buy itSee the photograph here.

Aug 1, 2024 • 6:35

From the Vault: Social Media And The Subway

From the Vault: Social Media And The Subway

There are not many portrait artists who get recognized on the street, but it happens to Devon Rodriguez all the time.After quietly honing his skill for a decade, Devon started posting videos of his live drawings of New York City subway commuters to social media. The videos took off, earning him some 50 million followers and placing portraiture in front of a huge new audience.Kim speaks with Devon about the mentors who had his back, and this new model for showing art— not in museums, but on scree

Jul 18, 2024 • 20:56

Blink: A Secret Language Of Flowers

Blink: A Secret Language Of Flowers

Next in our 'Blink' summer series, Kim speaks with Robyn Asleson, curator of the 'Brilliant Exiles' exhibition, about a dreamy painting that holds a secret code. Edward Steichen's mural assigns a flower to several female friends who planted themselves in Paris's modernist milieu. But where some see jewel-toned beauty, Robyn sees a minefield.In Exaltation of Flowers, by Edward Steichen

Jul 4, 2024 • 5:02

From The Vault: Lincoln Hiding In Plain Sight

From The Vault: Lincoln Hiding In Plain Sight

A globe turned to Haiti. A glove on the ground. This life-size portrait of President Abraham Lincoln contains intriguing details that can be read as a freeze-frame of race relations at the time of his assassination. The oil painting was ‘hidden in plain sight’ for decades at a municipal building in New Jersey, until our guest Ted Widmer helped to re-discover it.Travers’ Lincoln is currently on display at the National Portrait Gallery, on loan from the Hartley Dodge Foundation, and courtesy of th

Jun 20, 2024 • 24:37

Blink: Small Doors, Big Art

Blink: Small Doors, Big Art

In our 'Blink' summer series, Kim takes listeners behind the scenes for a quick glimpse at some of the goings-on at the National Portrait Gallery. This first mini-episode finds staff in a tight spot. How do they fit a large, priceless work of art into a very old, very historic building with small doors?

Jun 6, 2024 • 4:58

Bonus: Face Value

Bonus: Face Value

From the Smithsonian's Sidedoor podcast, we bring you a special episode about the tiny new portraits appearing in our pockets and purses. The faces on our coins tell our national story. But until recently women were mostly absent. Host Lizzie Peabody follows the money to find out who gets to be 'heads' in a big new batch of women-only quarters.Guests:Jennifer Schneider, former program manager at Smithsonian American Women’s History Museum, current assistant registrar of outgoing and gov

May 23, 2024 • 32:43

Hags and Witches

Hags and Witches

Kiki Smith says she didn’t really start making drawings of people until she was 40. Once she had aged a little, she looked in the mirror and saw lines— something “to hang onto” as an artist. At 70, she says it’s the hags and witches who attract her most. In this episode, Kim speaks with Kiki about portraying older women’s bodies and how aging has influenced her work. Kiki’s female subjects sometimes evoke biblical figures or characters from fairy tales, and they’re often connected to n

Apr 9, 2024 • 21:59

From The Vault: The Woman Who Knocked Science Sideways

From The Vault: The Woman Who Knocked Science Sideways

We didn’t want to let Women’s History Month pass without a tip of the hat to one of the towering figures we’ve featured here on PORTRAITS. Dr. Chien-Shiung Wu was a rockstar experimental physicist who worked with Oppenheimer on the Manhattan Project. She also met the pope, and inspired a Chinese opera. But here in the United States, she didn’t always get the recognition she deserved. At least not until her granddaughter, Jada Yuan, took up her story. This episode originally aired in 20

Mar 26, 2024 • 27:36

Brilliant Exiles

Brilliant Exiles

Paris in the early 1900s was a magnet for convention-defying American women. It offered a delicious taste of freedom, which they used to explode the gender norms of their day, and to explore new kinds of art, literature, dance and design. In the process, they became arbiters of modernism. This episode, we raise the curtain on the National Portrait Gallery’s “Brilliant Exiles” exhibition with curator Robyn Asleson. It features 60 trailblazing women, including the dancer, singer and spy

Mar 12, 2024 • 27:29

Mall Art

Mall Art

The National Mall is a great canvas, in part because of all the history embedded there. It’s been a place of protest, celebration and mourning. It also hosts some spectacular monuments. But critic Salamishah Tillet says there is a lot of history missing from the Mall as a commemorative space, like desegregation and the displacement of Indigenous people. Kim speaks with Salamishah about the ‘Beyond Granite’ exhibition she co-curated on the Mall, and also with Jorge Rodriguez-Gerada, the

Feb 27, 2024 • 24:48

Lincoln Hiding In Plain Sight

Lincoln Hiding In Plain Sight

A globe turned to Haiti. A glove on the ground. A life-size portrait of President Abraham Lincoln contains intriguing details that can be read as a freeze-frame of race relations at the time of his assassination. It also may be the most lifelike depiction of the 16th president— standing to his full height and in full color. The oil painting by W.F.K. Travers was ‘hidden in plain sight’ for decades at a municipal building in New Jersey. Biographer Ted Widmer played a role in re-discover

Feb 13, 2024 • 24:04

Social Media And The Subway

Social Media And The Subway

There are not many portrait artists who get recognized on the street, but it happens to Devon Rodriguez all the time. After quietly honing his skill for a decade, Devon started posting videos of his live drawings of New York City subway commuters to social media. The videos took off, earning him some 50 million followers and placing portraiture in front of a huge new audience. Kim speaks with Devon about the mentors who had his back, and this new model for showing art— not in museums,

Jan 30, 2024 • 20:37

Copyright vs Copywrong

Copyright vs Copywrong

Copyright law is complicated, especially when it comes to visual art. So there was a lot of fanfare around the Supreme Court’s May ruling involving a celebrity portrait photographer, the pop artist Andy Warhol, and an orange silk screen of the late musician Prince. Would the decision give us some clarity around what’s ‘infringing’ in the world of appropriation art? Lauryn Guttenplan, former deputy general counsel for the Smithsonian, walks us through some high-profile copyright cases f

Jan 16, 2024 • 25:34

Bonus: The Toxic Book of Faces

Bonus: The Toxic Book of Faces

Silhouettes were a hugely popular and democratic form of portraiture in the 19th century. So an old ledger book full of cut paper profiles at the National Portrait Gallery caught a conservator’s eye. It promised a rare glimpse at people from all different backgrounds who lived in early America. It also held a surprise: It was laced with poison. Lizzie Peabody, host of the Smithsonian’s Sidedoor podcast, brings us the story of the book, the man who created it, and the web of overlapping

Jan 2, 2024 • 33:26

Me, Online

Me, Online

Digital artist Amalia Soto, also known by the username Molly Soda, wants to show us how we portray ourselves, or perform ourselves, online. She says the images and videos we upload don’t necessarily lie, but they do pose questions about the ways we curate our lives for unseen others. She also believes there is a lot we don’t actually control when we hit the ‘post’ button. With Glenn Kaino. See the artwork we discussed: Who’s Sorry Now? (2017) Inbox Full (2012) My Apology (2022)

Dec 19, 2023 • 20:39

ART-ificial Intelligence

ART-ificial Intelligence

As AI art gets more and more sophisticated, how do we tell the difference between a portrait that’s created by a human being – with a soul – and art that’s created by a complex algorithm? And if we can’t tell the difference, will artists be out of a job? Oxford mathematician Marcus du Sautoy explains how AI art works, and why he thinks code can actually help artists to expand their creative universe. But there’s one big question that remains: What does AI art tell us about the inner w

Dec 5, 2023 • 23:51

Fakes, the Boxed Wines of the Art World

Fakes, the Boxed Wines of the Art World

That glass of fine wine you’re enjoying so much.. What if you were told it came from a box? Would it taste different? According to art fraud investigator Colette Loll, yes, it would. Colette draws on brain science to explain why it’s so easy to be duped by a forged masterpiece, and why even the experts get it wrong sometimes. See the portraits we discuss: Francis Patrick Garvan, by de Philip de László Elmyr de Hory, in the style of Philip de László

Nov 21, 2023 • 27:29

Oppenheimer's Close-Up

Oppenheimer's Close-Up

The blockbuster Oppenheimer movie focuses on two portrayals of J. Robert Oppenheimer. One is the famous physicist known as the architect of the atomic bomb, and the second is a more vulnerable man, maligned as a communist sympathiser. Then there’s a third portrait. It makes a cameo in the film and it resides right here at the National Portrait Gallery. Pulitzer-Prize winning biographer Kai Bird, whose book inspired the movie, takes a look with us. See the portrait we discuss: J. Robe

Nov 7, 2023 • 25:14

It Depends How You Frame It

It Depends How You Frame It

Museum director Kim Sajet takes listeners to stand in front of a portrait of Ulysses S. Grant, the revered commander who led the Union Army to victory in the American Civil War. But it’s actually the frame that steals the show. According to conservator Bill Adair, “The frame gives us information that the painting simply cannot.” In this case, the frame showcases Grant’s major battlefield triumphs. Another, gifted to George Washington by the King of France, tells the story of a politica

Oct 24, 2023 • 23:50

Season 5 Trailer: Director's Cut

Season 5 Trailer: Director's Cut

Season five kicks off Oct. 24, as director Kim Sajet takes listeners into the National Portrait Gallery to stand in front of some of her favorite artwork.

Oct 17, 2023 • 1:43

A Cover Like No Other

A Cover Like No Other

When Gloria Steinem co-founded Ms. magazine, she wanted a cover image that would break completely with the norms of the day. There would be no high-end models and no teasers for makeup tips. Instead, the preview issue featured a goddess with eight arms. And she was blue. Kim speaks with Gloria and also with the magazine’s first editor, Suzanne Braun Levine, about the ways women had been visually portrayed until their groundbreaking publication hit the newsstands, and how the staff at M

Nov 1, 2022 • 26:12

BONUS: The Case of the Missing Portrait

BONUS: The Case of the Missing Portrait

Dr. Dorothy Andersen solved a vexing medical mystery by identifying cystic fibrosis. But the mystery of her missing portrait remained unsolved. This week, we're featuring an episode from the Lost Women of Science podcast about a physician who changed the way we understand acute lung and gastrointestinal problems in small children. But if she was such a medical heavyweight, why did her 1963 portrait disappear from Columbia University's Babies Hospital? The answer tells us something abou

Oct 18, 2022 • 30:06

Pinocchio Noses and Plug-In Halos

Pinocchio Noses and Plug-In Halos

Washington Post editorial cartoonist Ann Telnaes says her profession serves as a canary in the coalmine for freedom of expression, a kind of oxygen monitor for democracy itself. When cartoonists are ducking for cover, she says, you'd better watch out. She also shares with Kim why she made the jump from Disney animator to thick-skinned political commentator, through drawing. Then Wendy Wick Reaves, who procured stacks and stacks of political cartoons for the National Portrait Gallery, ex

Oct 4, 2022 • 26:49

The Business End Of Portraiture

The Business End Of Portraiture

Indra Nooyi grew up in a conservative Brahmin household in India, but that didn’t stop her from playing cricket with her brother’s friends, or from joining an all-girl rock band. Years later, when she ascended to the top job at PepsiCo, she would push the boundaries again as one of the few women running a Fortune 500 company. Nooyi talks to Kim about why she initially shrank from the press when she arrived in the C-suite, and how she wanted to be seen in her own portrait as an American

Sep 20, 2022 • 22:55

BONUS: Finding Cleopatra

BONUS: Finding Cleopatra

From our fellow Smithsonian podcast, Sidedoor, the story of Edmonia Lewis— the first sculptor of African American and Native American (Mississauga) descent to achieve international fame. Her 3,000-pound masterwork, “The Death of Cleopatra,” commemorated another powerful woman who broke with convention… and then it disappeared. See Edmonia Lewis’s portrait here.

Sep 6, 2022 • 27:30

Postal Pairings

Postal Pairings

Before cable news and email and Twitter, it was the postal service that transmitted ideas and information across land, sea, and political divides. Kim speaks with National Postal Museum chief curator Dan Piazza about some of the messages that stamps themselves were communicating, including a few asides from Philatelist-in-Chief, Franklin D. Roosevelt. We also pair some noteworthy stamps to original artwork that lives right here at the National Portrait Gallery. See the portraits we di

Aug 23, 2022 • 22:32

A Shortcut Across Time

A Shortcut Across Time

José Andrés is the Michelin-starred chef known for jumping into action to feed people affected by hurricanes, wildfires, and most recently the war in Ukraine. But he’s also a huge admirer of a woman whose photograph lives at the National Portrait Gallery– the Civil War nurse Clara Barton. Museum director Kim Sajet talks with Andrés about his call for ‘longer tables,’ and also takes us down the block to Barton’s old digs to see how their stories overlap. See Clara Barton’s portrait here

Aug 9, 2022 • 25:40

BONUS: Portraying The Presidents

BONUS: Portraying The Presidents

The House committee investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol has generated a lot of interest in one of the National Portrait Gallery’s latest commissions -- an official portrait of former President Donald Trump. So we decided to revisit an episode that takes a spin through the ‘America’s Presidents’ exhibition. Director Kim Sajet digs into the thorny question of what a presidential portrait is meant to convey, especially if the president in question has been impeached. Shoul

Jul 26, 2022 • 30:29

Things We Take For Granted

Things We Take For Granted

Atlantic editor Vann R. Newkirk II talks to Kim about the mutability of memory, as seen through two portraits of the abolitionist John Brown. He also explains how a photograph of his mom helped him to appreciate the fragility of democracy in the United States, and why he tries to keep a garden wherever he goes. See the portraits we discuss: George Washington Carver John Brown daguerreotype John Brown painting Marylin Thurman Newkirk

Jul 12, 2022 • 27:18

Glimpsing Freedom

Glimpsing Freedom

Photography and the Civil War crashed into one another, making it affordable for soldiers to have their picture taken before going off to war. What Black soldiers communicated in these images was a desire not just for freedom, but for citizenship. But they didn't always control how their photographs were used. Drs. Deborah Willis and Rhea Combs talk with Kim about the photographs taken of - and for - Civil War Soldiers. Because it turns out there’s a big difference. See the portraits

Jun 28, 2022 • 24:56

Live Long and Protest

Live Long and Protest

George Takei went boldly where no man had gone before when he broke racial stereotypes to play Mr. Sulu on Star Trek. But he's also lent his celebrity (and his sharp-witted Twitter feed) to a stack of social causes. George traces his activism to a single, searing injustice-- his internment as a Japanese-American during WWII. He was five years old. See the portraits we discuss: George Takei as Hikaru Sulu Wayne Collins They Called Us Enemy Takei at Rohwer dedication ceremony

Jun 14, 2022 • 29:13

The Woman Who Knocked Science Sideways

The Woman Who Knocked Science Sideways

Dr. Chien-Shiung Wu was a towering figure in science whose parity experiment shattered our understanding of the physical world. She enjoyed rockstar status in China, met the pope, inspired an opera and even became a “Jeopardy!” question. But to Jada Yuan, she was grandma. See the portraits we discuss: Dr. Wu in the lab Tsung-Dao Lee, Nobel Laureate Chen-Ning Yang, Nobel Laureate Dr. Wu on the forever stamp Also, check out Jada Yuan’s article about her grandmother here!

May 31, 2022 • 26:49

Dolores Huerta: Yes She Did!

Dolores Huerta: Yes She Did!

Grassroots organizer Dolores Huerta talks to Kim about her first encounter with the deep poverty of California farmworkers in the 1950s, and how she took on the status quo (in a wrinkled sweater) during the landmark Delano Grape Strike. All the time, she fought on two fronts: resisting exploitation and also resisting sexism, sometimes from within the very labor movement she helped to launch. See the portraits we discuss: Huerta with ‘Huelga’ Sign Huerta at Delano Grape Strike Huerta

May 17, 2022 • 24:49

Season 4 Trailer

Season 4 Trailer

Kim Sajet, director of the National Portrait Gallery, examines the stories of people who say “No” to the status quo. Guests this season include Dolores Huerta, who fought chauvinism within the very farmworkers movement she helped to launch, plus chef José Andrés, who has been building resilience “one meal at a time” in battle zones and areas struck by natural disaster. Tune in starting May 17.

May 10, 2022 • 1:50

Yesterday's Disruptors... Today

Yesterday's Disruptors... Today

Since it was founded over a long lunch in Boston in 1857, The Atlantic has featured presidents and poets, abolitionists and suffragists— men and women set on advancing The American Idea. This episode, Kim takes the magazine’s editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, on an ‘Atlantic alumni’ tour, stopping in front of a bust of Martin Luther King Jr. and a life-size painting of Mark Twain. Their conversation previews an upcoming collaboration between The Atlantic and the National Portrait Gall

Aug 17, 2021 • 25:55

Un-forgetting History

Un-forgetting History

After having to destroy her family pictures during the Cultural Revolution in China, artist Hung Liu treasures old photographs all the more. In fact, they’re foundational to her work. She has described her portraits like a memorial site for people forgotten to history-- comfort women, farm workers, refugees. As the Gallery launches a retrospective of her artwork, we trace Hung's life through some of the images she's collected and created, from her rendering of a resident alien card in

Jul 27, 2021 • 27:12

BONUS: Who Was Pocahontas Really?

BONUS: Who Was Pocahontas Really?

These last few weeks brought jolting discoveries at residential schools in Canada— unmarked grave sites thought to contain the remains of hundreds of Indigenous children who went missing. The news was a visceral reminder that systemic racism and discrimination can literally bury the past. So we decided to revisit an episode about a woman who— unlike so many Indigenous people of her time— was celebrated by Colonial America, and actually had a portrait done: Pocahontas. Curator and auth

Jul 13, 2021 • 23:35

Ellen Stofan Sees Stars Here On Earth

Ellen Stofan Sees Stars Here On Earth

Dr. Ellen Stofan is a planetary geologist who has spent a lot of time looking up at the stars and thinking about life outside our planet. But in this episode, she talks with Kim about the portraits of some of her favorite earth dwellers. Among the trailblazers she highlights: a judge who fought for women's rights and a marine biologist who challenged the way we see ourselves in relation to the natural world. See the portraits: Rachel Carson and the Blue Marble Shot The Four Justices

Jun 29, 2021 • 24:28

People of Progress

People of Progress

The 1862 painting "Men of Progress" depicts a group of inventors credited with "altering the course of contemporary civilization.” Between them, they found more efficient ways to sew clothing, harvest crops and even send telegraph messages. In fact, the Smithsonian’s first secretary stands in the middle. But as cultural anthropologist Richard Kurin notes, many people have been left out of this tableau. To mark the Smithsonian’s 175th anniversary, we ask current Sec. Lonnie Bunch to giv

Jun 15, 2021 • 27:22

Phillis Wheatley Redrawn

Phillis Wheatley Redrawn

Phillis Wheatley was a literary superstar around the time of the American Revolutionary War— a distinction she notched up while writing in bondage. But she never wrote an account of her own experiences, and there are gaps in her story. The Gallery’s Ashleigh Coren and writer Honorée Jeffers ask us to re-imagine her life, drawn in poetry. See Wheatley’s portrait here.

Jun 1, 2021 • 22:51

Capturing Ghosts

Capturing Ghosts

When the early photographer William Mumler developed his glass plates, he sometimes found a ghost had slipped into the picture. Was he a fraud? A medium? A grief counselor? Author and curator Peter Manseau explains how Mumler found himself at the crossroads of an emerging technology, and a wave of grief for those lost during the Civil War, and how his spirit photography eventually landed him in court. See the portraits we discuss: P.T. Barnum, by the Mathew Brady Studio ‘Cracked-Pla

May 18, 2021 • 26:31

Hyphenated

Hyphenated

Choreographer-in-Residence Dana Tai Soon Burgess traces his ‘hyphenated’ background— a journey that begins on a boat from Korea, disembarks at a Hawaiian pineapple plantation, meanders through Latino culture, and then arrives at a martial arts class in New Mexico… organized by Tibetan monks. Dana also discusses the hyphenated artists featured in two of his favorite portraits at the Gallery. Both were pioneers, both were outsiders, and both had their ‘American-ness’ challenged. See the

May 4, 2021 • 23:58

Foundational Truths

Foundational Truths

Author Rick Atkinson brings to life two men who played outsized roles during the founding of the United States— one a rich slave trader, the other a pamphleteer who died penniless. They both stood for liberty and equality, but their stories illustrate how the democratic ideals written into the Declaration of Independence often clash with historical reality. See the portraits we discuss: Thomas Paine, by Laurent Dabos Henry Laurens, by John Singleton Copley John Laurens, by Charles W

Apr 20, 2021 • 21:20

On the Money

On the Money

We look at the portraits on our money— the little history lessons we carry around in our pockets. But with such a limited array of people featured, what do our banknotes say about us? First up, curator Ellen Feingold takes us on a tour of our money’s vibrant early designs, including images of children, beloved pets, and George Washington in a toga. Then former Treasurer Rosie Rios tells us how she discovered that women have been missing from our bills for more than a century, and how sh

Apr 6, 2021 • 27:06

Portraying The Presidents

Portraying The Presidents

As the National Portrait Gallery works on its latest commission -- an official portrait of former President Donald Trump -- we take a spin through the ‘America’s Presidents’ exhibition. This episode draws back the curtain on earlier commissions that have drawn controversy and acclaim: a portrait of Bill Clinton with a shadow of scandal painted into it, and the Obama portraits that transformed the museum into a pilgrimage site. Director Kim Sajet also digs into the thorny question of wh

Mar 23, 2021 • 29:46

Season 3 Trailer

Season 3 Trailer

Kim Sajet, director of the National Portrait Gallery, draws back the curtain on the artwork that tells the story of the United States— from a presidential portrait with a shadow of scandal hanging over it, to a $3 bill featuring George Washington in a toga. Tune in starting March 23 as Kim chats with historians, journalists and educators to reveal key American figures as the flawed, complex, and at times, unexpectedly relatable human beings they were.

Mar 9, 2021 • 2:10

Holiday Edition: Renée Fleming on Music’s Special Place

Holiday Edition: Renée Fleming on Music’s Special Place

Operatic soprano Renée Fleming has been called ‘the people’s diva,’ performing at key moments in our nation’s story, like when she sang at ground zero after 9/11. For this special episode, she talks with Kim about how music can help us mourn, heal, and celebrate as we send off a particularly tough 2020 and nestle into the holidays. She also describes a few portraits that hold special meaning for her, because portraits are what we’re all about! See the portraits we discuss: Renée Flemi

Dec 15, 2020 • 21:24

Self Made with Elle Johnson and Janine Sherman Barrois

Self Made with Elle Johnson and Janine Sherman Barrois

Born just two years after the abolition of slavery, Madam C.J. Walker built a business empire by marketing her homemade haircare formula to the black community. Along the way, she became the United States’ first female self-made millionaire. Our guests, Janine Sherman Barrois and Elle Johnson, helped bring Walker’s story to millions of viewers in the Netflix limited series, “Self Made.” They discuss Walker’s barrier-busting entrepreneurship, as well as her decision to use her own portr

Aug 4, 2020 • 22:42

Bataan's Boogaloo with Eduardo Díaz

Bataan's Boogaloo with Eduardo Díaz

We look at a black and white photograph that encapsulates a very American story— about the magic that can happen when you throw together people from different backgrounds and languages and… beats. The concoction that resulted is known as Latin Boogaloo. Eduardo Díaz, director of the Smithsonian Latino Center, explains how one of the genre’s pioneers, Joe Bataan, got his degree in ‘streetology’ and went on to establish himself as the King of Latin Soul. See the photo we discuss on our

Jul 21, 2020 • 16:06

The Rockefeller Pose with LL Cool J and Richard Ormond

The Rockefeller Pose with LL Cool J and Richard Ormond

The sitter was rapper LL Cool J. The artist was Kehinde Wiley, who's made a name for himself by portraying African American men and women in regal poses taken from art history. In this episode, LL Cool J recounts what happened when they met, and why he turned to a 100-year-old masterpiece depicting the richest person in modern history-- John D. Rockefeller Sr.-- for his power pose. He also discusses how portraits can help build new paradigms in the face of systemic racism. Stepping in

Jul 7, 2020 • 29:02

Getting Real with Robert McCurdy

Getting Real with Robert McCurdy

As a portrait artist, Robert McCurdy has painted some of the most famous and visionary people of our time-- the Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela, Toni Morrison. But first he tells them, "It's not about you." The goal, he says, is to create a photorealistic image with no expression and no implied past or future, so the viewer and the subject can simply encounter one another. The true subject, he says, is the gaze. See the portraits we discuss on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/rober

Jun 23, 2020 • 19:24

Seeing Truth with Gwendolyn Shaw

Seeing Truth with Gwendolyn Shaw

After 'walking away' from slavery, abolitionist Sojourner Truth chose her own name, told her own story at speaking engagements, and sued for her young son's freedom. (She won.) The Gallery’s senior historian, Gwendolyn DuBois Shaw, says there’s something else she took control of— her portrait. You can see the carte de visite we discuss here: https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.79.209

Jun 9, 2020 • 20:23

Painting Through a President's Assassination, with Brandon Fortune

Painting Through a President's Assassination, with Brandon Fortune

It commands attention among the more sober portraits in the Presidents’ gallery, interrupting a room of men in dark suits with an explosion of green and gold. Chief curator Brandon Fortune recounts the tragic backstory behind this standout portrait of President John F. Kennedy by one of the few women who gained a foothold in the abstract expressionist movement— Elaine de Kooning. You can see de Kooning’s remarkable painting on our website: https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.99.75

May 26, 2020 • 21:59

Focusing on Ruben Salazar, with Taína Caragol

Focusing on Ruben Salazar, with Taína Caragol

Ruben Salazar was one of the first Latinx journalists to rise through the ranks of a major U.S. newspaper. Initially, he was careful to avoid being pigeonholed as a reporter on minority issues, but eventually he became known for digging into stories about police brutality and racial profiling— subjects also championed by the Chicano Movement. Curator Taína Caragol takes us through his life, frame by frame, and explains why some call him a martyr. See the portraits we talk about on our

May 12, 2020 • 13:04

Growing Younger with Harriet Tubman

Growing Younger with Harriet Tubman

Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden and film director Kasi Lemmons love Harriet Tubman, but they weren't in love with her portrait as an older woman in a heavy dark dress. Then Hayden got a call. See the photographs we talk about here: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/harriet-tubman

Apr 28, 2020 • 21:13

Close Looking with Briana Zavadil White

Close Looking with Briana Zavadil White

In the first of our ‘social distancing’ episodes, educator Briana Zavadil White takes us to stand in front of one of her favorite paintings at the National Portrait Gallery. It commemorates a brutal boxing match that was fought 100 years ago, but Briana brings it alive… from the sound of the bell, to the smell of popcorn, to the sweltering heat. See the portraits discussed on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/home-gallery-dempsy-willard

Apr 14, 2020 • 14:36

Removing the Sting with Will Rogers

Removing the Sting with Will Rogers

Long before Coronavirus upended our lives, Will Rogers saw the United States through another difficult and divisive time. The good-humored cowboy is perhaps best remembered for his movies, but he was also a prolific social commentator who managed to cross divides with his comedic wit… and also advocated for those hardest hit by the Great Depression. Check out the portraits we discussed on our website! https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/will-rogers

Mar 31, 2020 • 24:58

Season 2 Trailer

Season 2 Trailer

Why was it so startling to find a photograph of Harriet Tubman as a young woman? Why did Elaine de Kooning stop painting after the assassination of John F. Kennedy? We offer a series of virtual visits to the National Portrait Gallery for all our listeners forced to hunker down during the coronavirus pandemic. Join museum director Kim Sajet as she chats with curators and educators about their favorite portraits and the remarkable stories behind the art, starting March 31.

Mar 24, 2020 • 2:15

Crossing the Border with Hugo Crosthwaite

Crossing the Border with Hugo Crosthwaite

Hugo Crosthwaite, winner of the 2019 Outwin Boochever Portrait Competition, traces his artistic influences to his parents' curio shop in Tijuana, where statues of Aztec gods co-existed with Bart Simpson. Fast-forward to his winning entry, and he walks us through the first scene of his stunning stop-motion drawing animation about a woman who crosses the border from Mexico into the United States. You can see Hugo’s video at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcmmWaW0nY&featu

Nov 5, 2019 • 21:59

Civil War Spies with Ann Shumard

Civil War Spies with Ann Shumard

Ann Shumard, the Gallery's senior curator of photographs, narrates the stories of Rose O'Neal Greenhow and Belle Boyd-- Civil War spies whose images were circulated in a popular photographic format called a carte de visite. Check out the portraits we discussed in this episode on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/behind-enemy-lines

Oct 22, 2019 • 22:45

In Memoriam: Cokie Roberts

In Memoriam: Cokie Roberts

It wasn’t long after Cokie Roberts came on Portraits that we learned the sad news of her passing, on Sept. 17. We quickly realized we has a ton of great material from our interview with her on First Ladies that never made it into the final edition. So this episode we reprise some of those special moments from the cutting room floor— where her smarts, her compassion, and her moxie are on full display. Find our original interview with Cokie at our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts

Oct 8, 2019 • 13:43

Speaking with the Secretary

Speaking with the Secretary

Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution Lonnie Bunch says a portrait can restore humanity, as in the case of Henrietta Lacks. She's the woman whose 'immortal' cells were taken without her knowledge and then used to pioneer important medical advances. Bunch, a scholar of American history, also describes images of one of his favorite presidents, Lyndon B. Johnson. As a lawmaker, Johnson had a 20-year record of voting against civil rights. Then he became a force for racial justice. Check

Sep 24, 2019 • 24:49

Remembering Marian Anderson with Leslie Ureña

Remembering Marian Anderson with Leslie Ureña

Classical vocalist Marian Anderson became a civil rights icon in 1939 when she sang before 75,000 spectators at the Lincoln Memorial — a concert organized after she was barred from singing at Constitution Hall because of her race. But curator Leslie Ureña wants people to know there’s much more to her story than a single performance.. including a pretty good pancake recipe. Check out the portraits we discuss on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/remembering-marian-anderson

Sep 10, 2019 • 22:00

Firsts with Cokie Roberts

Firsts with Cokie Roberts

Journalist Cokie Roberts laments the fact that Martha Washington’s portrait depicts her as an old lady. Perhaps if it had been painted sooner, when Washington was young and vivacious, we’d have an easier time remembering her as the trailblazing, politically engaged woman she was. Roberts describes four portraits of First Ladies, outlining their bold contributions and the challenges that come with the job. You can see the portraits we discuss on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/

Aug 27, 2019 • 23:35

Discovering Pocahontas with Paul Chaat Smith

Discovering Pocahontas with Paul Chaat Smith

If the 1995 animated Disney film is your guide, Pocahontas was a free-spirited Native American heroine who sang to the wind. So why is she dressed like European royalty in her painting at the National Portrait Gallery? Curator and author Paul Chaat Smith separates out what we know and what we think we know about this iconic figure. Check out the portraits we discuss on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/pondering-pocahontas

Aug 13, 2019 • 23:04

Underwater with Julie Packard and Hope Gangloff

Underwater with Julie Packard and Hope Gangloff

Julie Packard is a leading ocean conservationist, so when the National Portrait Gallery approached her to sit for a portrait, she had one request: She wanted to work with an artist who could paint water. That artist, it turns out, is Hope Gangloff. Kim talks to both women on the day of the portrait's unveiling for a behind-the-scenes account of what it's like when the Gallery is your matchmaker. Check out Hope’s portrait of Julie on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/underwater

Jul 30, 2019 • 20:25

On the Beat with Wendy MacNaughton

On the Beat with Wendy MacNaughton

You might see her leaning against a building on the street, or sitting across from you on your morning commute, pad in hand. Or, you might not have noticed her at all. Wendy talks about her 'drawn journalism' -- sketches and snippets of conversation that convey little slices of life, and connect us to bigger stories in the news. Check out the illustrations we discussed on our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/on-beat

Jul 16, 2019 • 23:27

Loving with Sheryll Cashin

Loving with Sheryll Cashin

When author Sheryll Cashin looks at a photograph of Mildred Loving, she doesn't just see a woman who went to the Supreme Court to strike down a ban on interracial marriage. She sees a complicated person, struggling herself with questions of race and identity. Cashin puts Loving's life in historical and geographical context, and also discusses another of her favorite portraits in the Gallery. See the portraits we discussed with Sheryll at our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/loving

Jul 2, 2019 • 22:53

Lopsided with Jill Lepore

Lopsided with Jill Lepore

If you were a man with property in the 19th century, there's a good chance you sat for a portrait at some point. If you were an enslaved person, a Native American, or an immigrant, there's a good chance you did not. Jill Lepore addresses this lopsidedness, or asymmetry, of history as she shares her own efforts to excavate the stories of people overlooked in the official account. Sometimes this means tracking down a portrait. You can see the portraits we discussed with Jill at our websi

Jun 17, 2019 • 21:17

Coming Soon: Portraits

Coming Soon: Portraits

Art, biography, history and identity collide in this podcast from the Smithsonian National Portrait Gallery, launching on June 18, 2019. Join Director Kim Sajet as she chats with artists, historians, and thought leaders about the big and small ways that portraits shape our world. Subscribe now! Find the portraits we discuss at our website: https://npg.si.edu/podcasts

Jun 4, 2019 • 1:57

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