Typology

Typology

Ian Cron

Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who ar...

Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison

Uncover Your Hidden Genius: Exploring the Intersection of Aptitudes and the Enneagram with Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison

How do your aptitudes intersect with your Enneagram type? Aptitudes are about your innate abilities. Understanding your personal aptitudes can enhance your personal and professional relationships as it allows you to "pinpoint really specific things you can celebrate, lean into, and have confidence about," explains Betsy Wills. Betsy Wills and Alex Ellison, co-authors of the insightful new book, Your Hidden Genius: The Science-Backed Strategy to Uncovering and Harnessing Your Innate Talents, jo

Feb 20, • 47:33

James Rhodes on Navigating Life as an Enneagram Nine [S08-033]

James Rhodes on Navigating Life as an Enneagram Nine [S08-033]

In this episode of Typology, we welcome special guest James Rhodes, co-founder and president of the artist-owned record label FiXT. As an Enneagram Type 9, James shares his journey of self-discovery through the Enneagram, the impact it has had on his family and work environment, and how he integrates it into his label's culture. We discuss the challenges of being a Type 9, including navigating anger and assertiveness, and the importance of self-care. Tune in as James opens up about his personal

Feb 13, • 35:38

Beyond Addiction: How the 12 Steps Can Enrich Everyone's Spiritual Journey

Beyond Addiction: How the 12 Steps Can Enrich Everyone's Spiritual Journey

What can we all glean from the 12 Steps? John Ortberg and I share an insightful conversation about the transformative power of the 12 steps for everyone. John, an Enneagram 3, begins by sharing his unique insights into the Enneagram and how it intersects with the journey of personal growth and spiritual development. Then, we dig into the 12 steps as a way of living. In this episode, you'll discover: The significance of the 12 steps as a design for living that can benefit everyone, not just tho

Feb 6, • 52:44

The Essential Self: Unpacking the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems with Jenna Riemersma (Type 1)

The Essential Self: Unpacking the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems with Jenna Riemersma (Type 1)

Join us for an enlightening episode of Typology as we dig into the fascinating intersection of the Enneagram and Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with our special guest, Jenna Riemersma. Jenna, a bestselling author and certified therapist, shares her insights on how understanding our internal parts can lead to personal and spiritual transformation. In this episode, we explore: The foundational concepts of Internal Family Systems and how it relates to the Enneagram. The different categor

Jan 31, • 50:56

Special Episode: Ian reads Chapter One of The Fix

Special Episode: Ian reads Chapter One of The Fix

We’ve got a special episode for you today!  With the release of my new book, The Fix, just days away, I wanted to share the first chapter with our Typology listeners.  You'll hear the entire first chapter of The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between, recorded by yours truly from a beautiful studio here in Nashville. Recording an audiobook is really one of the coolest parts of writing a book, so I’m ver

Jan 23, • 46:40

Navigating Leadership and Self-Awareness: Insights from Enneagram 8 Bethany Ricks

Navigating Leadership and Self-Awareness: Insights from Enneagram 8 Bethany Ricks

Join us for another episode of Typology as we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Bethny Ricks, an Enneagram 8 and author of the new book, Face Forward: Reclaiming Hope When Everything Falls Apart. Bethny shares her unique journey with the Enneagram, discussing how it helped her understand herself in ways other assessments couldn't. With over 20 years of experience in human resources, she reflects on her corporate career, the challenges she faced, and the lessons learned

Jan 16, • 43:21

Consent and Connection: How to Experience God's Presence in Everyday Life, feat. John Eldredge

Consent and Connection: How to Experience God's Presence in Everyday Life, feat. John Eldredge

Join us for a captivating episode of Typology as we dive deep into the spiritual journey with New York Times bestselling author John Eldridge! In this special interview, we explore themes from his latest book, Experience Jesus Really: Finding Refuge, Strength, and Wonder Through Everyday Encounters with God. We engage in a rich conversation about the impact of modern-day addictions, the quest for genuine experiences of God, and the importance of cultivating a spiritual life amidst the noise of o

Jan 9, • 42:14

Room for Good Things: Josh Nadeau on Finding Beauty in Everyday Life (Enneagram 7)

Room for Good Things: Josh Nadeau on Finding Beauty in Everyday Life (Enneagram 7)

Today we welcome special guest, Josh Nadeau, Enneagram 7 and author of the new book, Room for Good Things to Run Wild: How Ordinary People Become Everyday Saints. In this episode, we explore Josh's journey through addiction, recovery, and the transformative power of beauty and faith. Josh shares his personal experiences with alcoholism, the challenges of being a creative in a structured world, and how he found a deeper relationship with God through his struggles. Discover how the Enneagram can i

Jan 2, • 49:07

Grieve, Breathe, Receive with Steve Carter (Type 3)

Grieve, Breathe, Receive with Steve Carter (Type 3)

How can grief operate as a transformative experience, leading to deeper self-awareness and a more authentic connection to oneself and others? Join us as we dive deep into the topic of grief through the lens of the Enneagram, featuring special guest Steve Carter, author of "Grieve, Breathe, Receive: Finding a Faith Strong Enough to Hold On." In this episode, Steve, an Enneagram 3, shares his personal journey of navigating grief after significant life changes, including the loss of his adopted fat

Dec 26, 2024 • 34:01

Navigating the Holidays: How to Support Each Enneagram Type, feat. Christina Wilcox

Navigating the Holidays: How to Support Each Enneagram Type, feat. Christina Wilcox

Join us in this enlightening episode of Typology as we explore the intricacies of the Enneagram and how it can enhance our relationships during the holiday season. This week, we welcome Christina Wilcox, author of Take Care of Your Type and Take Care of Your Friends, who shares her journey of discovering her Enneagram type as a Six and the profound impact it has had on her life. In this episode, you'll learn: How to care for friends and family of each Enneagram type during the holidays. Str

Dec 19, 2024 • 37:29

Lessons About Suicidality from Enneagram 6, Chris Morris

Lessons About Suicidality from Enneagram 6, Chris Morris

Did you know that suicide is one the leading causes of death in the United States? According to the CDC, “In 2022, an estimated 13.2 million adults seriously thought about suicide, 3.8 million planned a suicide attempt, and 1.6 million attempted suicide.” Today on Typology, Enneagram 6, Chris Morris, joins us for an important and vulnerable conversation about his new book “Resilient and Redeemed: Lessons About Suicidality from the Psych Ward.”  We discuss his experiences as an Enneagram Six, the

Dec 12, 2024 • 53:29

How to Set and Maintain Healthy Boundaries (S08-023)

How to Set and Maintain Healthy Boundaries (S08-023)

This week, Anthony and I explore different types of boundaries, offering examples of what this might look like for various Enneagram types.   Boundaries are essential to developing healthy relationships of any kind, but they’re often misunderstood or wielded incorrectly. I think of boundaries as value-based, invisible lines that we set up to take care of ourselves and our relationships. They tell people what they can expect from us in life and what we can expect from them. When we understand and

Dec 5, 2024 • 39:32

Gratitude and the Enneagram: Celebrating the Gifts of Each Type (S08-022)

Gratitude and the Enneagram: Celebrating the Gifts of Each Type (S08-022)

German-born spiritual teacher and self-help author Eckhart Tolle once wrote, "Acknowledging the good that you already have in your life is the foundation for all abundance."  I found this to be true in my life as well, and as it turns out, expressing gratitude isn't just a sound spiritual practice. It's essential to our emotional and physical well-being.  According to a recent study performed at Harvard Medical School, "Gratitude is strongly and consistently associated with greater happiness. G

Nov 27, 2024 • 23:48

William Vanderbloemen on Self-Awareness and Leadership: How the Enneagram and Data-Driven Habits Can Transform Your Career

William Vanderbloemen on Self-Awareness and Leadership: How the Enneagram and Data-Driven Habits Can Transform Your Career

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Nov 21, 2024 • 50:58

Surprising insights into the story of Christmas, feat. AJ Sherrill (Type 3)

Surprising insights into the story of Christmas, feat. AJ Sherrill (Type 3)

This week we welcome back special guest and Enneagram 3, AJ Sherrill.  This time, we explore AJ's journey of spiritual direction, his insights on the Enneagram, and his new book, Rediscovering Christmas: Surprising Insights into the Story You Thought You Knew. We discuss the importance of slowing down during the busy holiday season, the emotional homes we all have, and how the Christmas story can be re-examined through a fresh lens. We explore the fascinating characters from the Nativity, includ

Nov 15, 2024 • 37:55

Navigating Life's Dissonance: Lessons from Even After Everything, with Stephanie Duncan Smith

Navigating Life's Dissonance: Lessons from Even After Everything, with Stephanie Duncan Smith

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Nov 7, 2024 • 50:30

The Enneagram for Teens: Tools for Connection and Growth, feat. Ainsley Britain

The Enneagram for Teens: Tools for Connection and Growth, feat. Ainsley Britain

Have you ever wondered how to you use the Enneagram with teens? In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we welcome Ainsley Britain, author of the new book The Enneagram for Teens: A Complete Guide to Self-Discovery and Spiritual Growth. Together, we explore how the Enneagram can be a powerful tool for self-awareness and personal growth for teenagers. Ainsley shares her journey of discovering the Enneagram and how it helped her navigate the challenges of adolescence. She discusses the importance

Oct 31, 2024 • 45:32

3 Parts of the Essential Self, feat. Dr. Alison Cook (Type 3)

3 Parts of the Essential Self, feat. Dr. Alison Cook (Type 3)

What is the essential self and how do we get in touch with it enough that it becomes a trusted leader for all of our parts? Today we welcome Dr. Alison Cook, therapist and host of the top-ranked podcast, The Best of You, to talk about the Internal Family Systems (IFS) model and how it can help all of us do some important healing work toward integration. We also discuss her new book, I Shouldn't Feel This Way: Name What’s Hard, Tame Your Guilt, and Transform Self-Sabotage into Brave Action. In t

Oct 24, 2024 • 54:33

The Power of Breath: A Path to Conscious Living and Emotional Wisdom, feat. Finnian Kelly [Type 7]

The Power of Breath: A Path to Conscious Living and Emotional Wisdom, feat. Finnian Kelly [Type 7]

Today we welcome the incredible Finnian Kelly, an Enneagram 7 and author of the groundbreaking book, Intentionality: A Groundbreaking Guide to Brain Consciousness and Radical Self-Transformation. In this episode, Finnian shares his journey of discovering his Enneagram type and the insights he's gained along the way as it pertains to his work and relationships. We discuss the significance of breathwork in cultivating intentionality and emotional awareness. Finnian shares a simple yet effective br

Oct 18, 2024 • 54:26

What Happens Next? feat. Max Lucado [Type 3]

What Happens Next? feat. Max Lucado [Type 3]

This week, we welcome back beloved author and pastor, Max Lucado for a meaningful conversation about a range of topics, including the emotional landscape of shame and guilt, the nuances of addiction and how it manifests in various forms beyond substance abuse, and Max’s new book What Happens Next: A Travelers’ Guide Through The End of This Age. In this episode, we explore: the distinction between guilt and shame and how these feelings can impact our relationships with ourselves, others, and Go

Oct 11, 2024 • 58:35

The Perfect Balance: How an Enneagram 1 and 7 Complement Each Other in Life and Love, feat. Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh

The Perfect Balance: How an Enneagram 1 and 7 Complement Each Other in Life and Love, feat. Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh

Join us for an enlightening discussion with Drs. May and Tim Hindmarsh, the brilliant minds behind the podcast BS Free MD. In this episode, we explore the unique dynamics of their relationship as an Enneagram 1 (May) and an Enneagram 7 (Tim), discussing how their personality types influence their lives, careers, and marriage. Discover how they challenge traditional medical practices, share their personal journeys, and get vulnerable about their struggles and triumphs. From the challenges of perf

Oct 3, 2024 • 47:50

The Narrow Path: Embracing Pain and Transformation with Rich Villodas (Type 7)

The Narrow Path: Embracing Pain and Transformation with Rich Villodas (Type 7)

Join us in this enlightening episode of Typology as we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with our special guest, Rich Villodas, an Enneagram 7 and lead pastor of New Life Fellowship. Rich is the author of bestselling books, including The Deeply Formed Life and his latest work, The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our Souls. In this episode, we explore Rich's journey of self-discovery, the challenges of being a 7, and the importance of spiritual formation. He shares

Sep 26, 2024 • 56:29

Awakening to Wholeness: Navigating Midlife with Chip Conley (Type 3)

Awakening to Wholeness: Navigating Midlife with Chip Conley (Type 3)

This week we dive deep into the transformative journey of midlife with the incredible Chip Conley, author of "Learning to Love Midlife: 12 Reasons Why Life Gets Better with Age." Chip, an Enneagram 3, shares his personal experiences and insights on navigating the complexities of identity, success, and the quest for authenticity as we age through the lens of the Enneagram.  Chip beautifully articulates the transition from the ego-driven pursuits of the first half of life to a more soulful existen

Sep 19, 2024 • 46:23

Joel Smallbone Shifts His Narrative (Type 3)

Joel Smallbone Shifts His Narrative (Type 3)

It’s a mistake to presume your way of seeing the world is normal because that means every time you meet someone with a different way of seeing the world, if it’s different than yours, you will feel justified in judging them abnormal. But the Enneagram teaches there are actually nine normal ways of seeing the world, not just yours. Part of emotional and spiritual growth is the capacity to recognize the complexities of human personalities and to expand the aperture of our own lens. Today, Anthony

Sep 12, 2024 • 59:23

Should You Stay or Should You Leave? feat. Emily P. Freeman (Type 4)

Should You Stay or Should You Leave? feat. Emily P. Freeman (Type 4)

In today's episode, spiritual director, podcast host, and Wall Street Journal Bestselling Author Emily Freeman and I dive into the topic of human relationships and decision-making through the lens of the Enneagram. We discuss Emily's new book, "How to Walk into a Room," which offers a unique perspective on discerning when to stay and when to walk away from various aspects of life. We explore the concept of denial, people-pleasing, and the importance of paying attention to one's inner knowing. J

Sep 5, 2024 • 55:28

Scott Allender Hones in on the Enneagram and Emotional Intelligence

Scott Allender Hones in on the Enneagram and Emotional Intelligence

How does knowing a person’s personality style help you in leadership development? In today’s replay, Scott Allender, Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, explains the concept of emotional intelligence, shares how he uses the Enneagram in team building and leadership development, and highlights the importance of being more thoughtful and intentional about developing leaders' capacity and not just capabilities. Scott will be joining us as a special guest in

Aug 30, 2024 • 25:29

Part 2: Navigating Grief and Growth - Insights from Christina Rasmussen

Part 2: Navigating Grief and Growth - Insights from Christina Rasmussen

Grief takes many forms and can be a complex and individual experience. It’s not limited to major life events. Life is full of small, invisible losses.  In part 2 of our conversation with acclaimed grief educator and bestselling author, Christina Rasmussen explains what she means by “invisible losses” and the impact they can have on our lives over time: “our perception of self shifts out of what we know about ourselves and it changes…when that happens, we lose what I call the original self and wh

Aug 22, 2024 • 34:09

Part 1: Navigating Grief and Growth – Insights from Christina Rasmussen’s Invisible Loss (Type 8)

Part 1: Navigating Grief and Growth – Insights from Christina Rasmussen’s Invisible Loss (Type 8)

This week we welcome the incredible Christina Rasmussen as our guest. In part one of this two-part conversation, we dig into the topics of grief, personality types, and self-discovery through the lens of the Enneagram.  In this episode, we explore:  Christina's personal journey of loss and how it led her to become a grief educator and author The multifaceted nature of grief that goes beyond traditional stereotypes Unique insights into how different personality types navigate grief and life chal

Aug 16, 2024 • 38:39

Authenticity: Finding balance in the public sphere as an Enneagram 4, feat. Liz Marie Galvan

Authenticity: Finding balance in the public sphere as an Enneagram 4, feat. Liz Marie Galvan

Today, we're joined by Liz Marie Galvin, author, blogger, and Enneagram 4. Liz shares how learning her Enneagram type has impacted her self-awareness and personal growth and the discusses some of the tools she uses to navigate the rich emotional landscape of being a Type 4.  The conversation concludes with a discussion on the subtypes of Type 4 and how they manifest in different ways.  We also dig into the challenges of being in the public space and curating an authentic persona online, explorin

Aug 8, 2024 • 51:38

The Joy Challenge, feat. Randy Frazee [S08-005)

The Joy Challenge, feat. Randy Frazee [S08-005)

How do you find joy in a world riddled with anxiety? Today, we are joined by Randy Frazee, an Enneagram 3, pastor, and author of “The Joy Challenge” to explore the concept of joy and the science behind happiness. Randy shares his insights on finding joy in challenging circumstances and offers practical tips for increasing joy in our daily lives. He emphasizes that though joy and happiness are closely related, joy is characterized by inner contentment and purpose. He offers a few principles from

Aug 1, 2024 • 45:39

The Healing Power of Forgiveness and Self-Love: Lessons from a Hospice Chaplain, feat. Bryan Crum [S08-004]

The Healing Power of Forgiveness and Self-Love: Lessons from a Hospice Chaplain, feat. Bryan Crum [S08-004]

In this episode of Typology, we delve into the intriguing world of the Enneagram 7 with special guest Bryan Crum, author of the book "Neighbor, Love Yourself, Discover Your Value, Live Your Worth." Bryan’s unique journey as a hospice chaplain for a decade adds a fascinating layer to the conversation, showcasing the unexpected intersection of a joyful Enneagram 7 personality with the profound experiences of confronting mortality and reflecting on life. We explore the concept of forgiveness a

Jul 25, 2024 • 35:49

Embracing Contemplative Practices: Finding Wholeness in Midlife, feat. Ben Katt

Embracing Contemplative Practices: Finding Wholeness in Midlife, feat. Ben Katt

Driven by a need to be seen as successful and accomplished in the eyes of others, Enneagram 3s are known for constantly “doing” and striving for recognition. However, this constant drive for achievement can lead to burnout, as they push themselves to their limits in pursuit of their goals. Today, we welcome meditation teacher and spiritual coach, Ben Katt, who shares his experience with burnout and how committing to contemplative practices such as silence, solitude, and stillness, helped him hea

Jul 18, 2024 • 51:44

Transforming relationships with true intimacy, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley

Transforming relationships with true intimacy, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley

This week, we welcome back Dr. Carol Tanksley, author of "Sexpectations: Reframing Your Good and Not-So-Good Stories About God, Love, and Relationships." Dr. Tanksley brings a unique perspective shaped by her extensive background as a former OBGYN and reproductive endocrinologist, offering a compassionate exploration of human sexuality, intimacy and relationships. Dr. Tanksley sheds light on several misconceptions surrounding sex, aiming to challenge and reshape our perspectives. Drawing from he

Jul 11, 2024 • 35:52

Learning to Reconnect: A Path to Self-Acceptance with Carlos Whittaker

Learning to Reconnect: A Path to Self-Acceptance with Carlos Whittaker

This week on Typology, we welcome back Carlos Whittaker, author, podcaster, and global speaker…and Enneagram 3. If you remember, last time he was on the show, Carlos thought he was an Enneagram 9. We suggested he investigate the Enneagram 3, and that’s what we talk about today, as well as his brand-new book, Reconnected: how seven screen-free weeks with monks and Amish farmers helped me recover the lost art of being human. Carlos shares his journey of self-discovery and vulnerability as he embar

Jul 4, 2024 • 1:02:24

Harnessing the Dazzling Mind: Strategies for Enneagram 7s to Thrive, feat. Dr. Jeff Karp

Harnessing the Dazzling Mind: Strategies for Enneagram 7s to Thrive, feat. Dr. Jeff Karp

​​How can Enneagram 7s manage their insatiable appetite for stimulation and tame their monkey mind? Today's guest, Dr. Jeff Karp, an Enneagram 7 with a brilliant mind and a passion for bio-inspired medical problem-solving shares his insights on harnessing the energy of an Enthusiast’s personality and using it to create meaningful connections and impactful work. We take a look at themes from his book, "Lit: Use Nature's Playbook to Energize Your Brain, Spark Ideas, and Ignite Action," and learn

Jun 27, 2024 • 56:20

Trust and Let Go: Confronting Fear with Jonathan Merritt (Enneagram 3)

Trust and Let Go: Confronting Fear with Jonathan Merritt (Enneagram 3)

Award-winning columnist and commentator on politics, spirituality, and culture, Jonathan Merritt returns to Typology to explore the challenges of authenticity, fear and his journey towards self-compassion. Jonathan opens up about his personal experiences reconciling his identity with his upbringing, the role fear has played in his life, and how he’s learning to trust and let go.  We discuss his new children's book, "My Gunkle and Me," a heartwarming story that celebrates individuality and inclus

Jun 20, 2024 • 36:28

The Way of Love in a World of Hurt: A Conversation with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth

The Way of Love in a World of Hurt: A Conversation with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth

Today, we had the pleasure of speaking with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth, authors of the new book, "Why Everything That Doesn't Matter Matters So Much, The Way of Love in a World of Hurt." In this episode, Charlie and Andi share their experiences discovering their types and their personal reflections on how the Enneagram has contributed to them understanding themselves better. From the complexities of being a Four to the challenges of living with chronic pain as a Seven, this conversation i

Jun 14, 2024 • 48:58

Exploring the Power of Storytelling: Insights from Allison Fallon and Donald Miller

Exploring the Power of Storytelling: Insights from Allison Fallon and Donald Miller

In this captivating episode of Typology, we delve into the power of storytelling with two incredible guests, author Allison Fallon (Enneagram 4) and business educator and author Donald Miller (Enneagram 3). The episode centers around Allie's new book, "Write Your Story: A Simple Framework to Understand Yourself, Your Story, and Your Purpose in the World." Allison shares her experience as a storyteller and the driving force behind her work. She discusses the importance of finding the unique angl

Jun 6, 2024 • 39:30

A Shift in Perspective, feat. Don Miller (Enneagram 4)

A Shift in Perspective, feat. Don Miller (Enneagram 4)

What leads to radical transformation? Shifting your perspective from a victim mindset to a hero mindset.  Don Miller returns to Typology to share the role the Enneagram played in his journey out of the victim hole to more empowered perspective. “It’s a story of a person who identified as a victim transforming into a person who identifies much more of a person who’s playing a more meaningful role on the planet, and also  considers victim mentality to be the enemy of self-development, progress, an

May 30, 2024 • 41:11

The New Rules of Attachment, feat. Dr. Judy Ho (Type 8)

The New Rules of Attachment, feat. Dr. Judy Ho (Type 8)

When we’re born into this world, we’re just soaking everything up, trying to figure ourselves out and learning about other people and our place in the world.  “Those initial lessons become imprinted into our later childhood and adulthood as rules of thumb for how we should operate in the world,” explains Dr. Judy Ho. The way we develop bonds, learn to attach (or not) to people in childhood impacts impacts every aspect of our lives: friendships, careers, goal-setting, and our sense of self.  But

May 24, 2024 • 48:44

Finding a Sense of Belonging, feat. Chris and Julie Bennett [S07-044]

Finding a Sense of Belonging, feat. Chris and Julie Bennett [S07-044]

What does it mean to truly belong? Today’s guests, Chris and Julie Bennett, authors of the book 'Fighting for Family: The Relentless Pursuit of Building Belonging, join me for a heartfelt discussion about what it means to build strong relationships and find a space where you belong. They share personal insights and experiences that highlight the importance of vulnerability, honesty, and bringing your whole self to the table in order to create a space where everyone feels accepted and valued.   I

May 16, 2024 • 58:58

John Mark Comer on Learning to Love and Delight in Goodness (Type 1)

John Mark Comer on Learning to Love and Delight in Goodness (Type 1)

New York Times bestselling author John Mark Comer returns to Typology to share what he’s working on personally, his struggle with control and perfectionism, and the need for self-effort AND grace in spiritual formation.  He reminds us that spiritual formation isn’t just a religious thing, it’s a human thing. We are all being formed by someone or something. So how do we ensure we reach our full potential and deepest connection?  From his new book, Practicing the Way, John Mark explains the import

May 9, 2024 • 50:32

Mindset: The Ultimate Catalyst for Change, feat. renowned health expert Dr. Josh Axe

Mindset: The Ultimate Catalyst for Change, feat. renowned health expert Dr. Josh Axe

This week we have a real treat for you as we invite renowned health and wellness expert, Dr. Josh Axe, to the table for a riveting conversation on the Enneagram 8 and mindset. We explore the balance of strength and empathy, delve into the complexities of shifting your mindset, and the impact of balancing virtues on the path to lasting transformation. Dr. Axe opens up about the life-altering wisdom he gained from his grandfather—where character trumps achievement—an ethos that values presence and

May 2, 2024 • 47:01

Healing the Heart for True Transformation, feat. Chris Cook (Enneagram One)

Healing the Heart for True Transformation, feat. Chris Cook (Enneagram One)

True transformation occurs when we reach a point of defeat and surrender to a higher power. When we open ourselves up in a posture of receptivity and allow forgiveness, mercy and power to enter our lives, true healing from the heart can begin.  Today, pastor, leadership coach, and podcast host Christopher Cook returns to discuss the process of transformation through the lens of the Enneagram. We explore the limitations of willpower, self-help books, and life hacks on the spiritual journey and th

Apr 25, 2024 • 1:01:12

Using the Enneagram in the Entertainment Industry, feat. Gary Wheeler (Enneagram 9)

Using the Enneagram in the Entertainment Industry, feat. Gary Wheeler (Enneagram 9)

Have you ever wondered how the Enneagram intersects with the entertainment industry? Do casting directors and writers use the Enneagram in developing your favorite show or movie? Whether it’s Parks and Recreation, Modern Family or Les Misérables, sometimes you can see the archetypes play themselves out on screen. This week, we sit down with multi-award-winning producer, writer and director Gary Wheeler for an illuminating conversation about film and the Enneagram. As an Enneagram 9, Gary shares

Apr 18, 2024 • 1:14:52

Fixer to Fabulous' Jenny and Dave Marrs Explore Their Enneagram Types

Fixer to Fabulous' Jenny and Dave Marrs Explore Their Enneagram Types

Get ready for a fun interview with HGTV’s Fixer to Fabulous stars, Jenny and Dave Marrs! We started the show thinking Dave and Jenny were both Enthusiasts, but when Jenny radiates a different energy than Dave, the conversation takes a turn.  We kick off with an exploration of Type 7 characteristics, including their enthusiasm, future orientation, and tendency to avoid pain and discomfort.  Then, we get into a pseudo typing interview to figure out what personality traits resonate with Jenny, cove

Apr 11, 2024 • 53:10

Befriending feelings to find wholeness, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley (Enneagram 5)

Befriending feelings to find wholeness, feat. Dr. Carol Tanksley (Enneagram 5)

Dr. Carol Tanksley joins Typology to discuss her journey of self-discovery and the powerful impact learning to see her emotions as knowledge has had on her life. As Dr. Tanksley explains, “When I finally started to understand that it was not knowledge that I needed to quote ‘fix me,’ then I started to make progress. […] Things started to change in my life. I started to come to terms with the emotional and feeling part of me, hence the wing four. I had all kinds of feelings. They were there all t

Apr 4, 2024 • 28:19

A Journey of Healing and Vulnerability, with Molly Stillman (Enneagram 2)

A Journey of Healing and Vulnerability, with Molly Stillman (Enneagram 2)

In this week’s episode, Molly Stillman, the author of the book "If I Don't Laugh, I'll Cry: How Death, Debt, and Comedy Led to a Life of Faith, Farming, and Forgetting What I Came into This Room For," opens up about her struggles with grief and learning to face hard truths and tough emotions head-on. We explore the complexities of being an Enneagram Two, the importance of genuine vulnerability, and learning to share her story as a powerful tool for healing, connecting with others, and sharing th

Mar 28, 2024 • 54:35

Epidemic of Loneliness through the lens of the Enneagram, with Max Lucado

Epidemic of Loneliness through the lens of the Enneagram, with Max Lucado

The statistics for loneliness are startling, not just for children but for the human population in general. According to recent research, 61% of Americans report often feeling lonely. The fact of the matter is that loneliness is a universally felt emotion that doesn’t discriminate. It starts young…and it’s growing.  Today, we welcome esteemed bestselling author Max Lucado for a timely discussion about the epidemic of loneliness in today’s connected age and the impact on human connection. We expl

Mar 21, 2024 • 32:13

Attachment Theory in Action: Understanding Relationship Styles with Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley

Attachment Theory in Action: Understanding Relationship Styles with Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley

Today, we had the pleasure of exploring the intricacies of personality and attachment styles with our esteemed guest, Dr. Anita Knight Kuhnley, a mastermind in counselor education and supervision, and the author behind the transformative works, "The Mr. Rogers Effect" and "The Four Relationship Styles." Dr. Kuhnley enlightens us on the four relationship styles – the firefighter, the investigator, the security guard, and the networker. Each style, rooted in attachment theory, offers a unique lens

Mar 14, 2024 • 1:19:59

Humility: The Secret to Inner Peace, feat. Dr. Joel Muddamalle (Type 3)

Humility: The Secret to Inner Peace, feat. Dr. Joel Muddamalle (Type 3)

This week we welcome Enneagram 3, Dr. Joel Muddamalle Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries and Theologian in Residence with Haven Place Ministries.  Author of the new book, The Hidden Peace: Finding True Security, Strength, and Confidence Through Humility, Dr. Muddamalle shares the route to inner peace – through humility.  Tune in as we explore:  The three Ps of humility How the Enneagram became a huge part of Dr. Muddamalle’s journey into a place of humility, and Th

Mar 7, 2024 • 44:09

Part 2: Exploring Frienships and the Enneagram, with Amy Weatherly (Type 9) and Jess Johnston (Type 7)

Part 2: Exploring Frienships and the Enneagram, with Amy Weatherly (Type 9) and Jess Johnston (Type 7)

This week we continue our conversation with best friend duo Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8), co-founders of the viral page all about friendship, Sister, I Am with You. In Part 2, we explore: what each Enneagram type looks for and needs in a friendship how to deal with conflict in relationships and friendships when it's time to end a friendship and how to do it well In an age where everything is about division, this conversation is a breath of fresh air about people coming tog

Feb 29, 2024 • 31:34

Part 1: Exploring Friendships and the Enneagram, feat. Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8)

Part 1: Exploring Friendships and the Enneagram, feat. Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8)

Best friend duo Amy Weatherly (9w8) and Jess Johnston (7w8), co-founders of the viral page all about friendship, Sister, I Am with You, join us for an inspirational look into the hows and whys of doing life together in a culture that constantly tries to keep us separate.  In Part 1 of this two-part episode, co-authors of the Wall Street Journal bestseller I’ll Be There (But I’ll Be Wearing Sweatpants), and Here For It (the GOOD, the BAD, and the QUESO), Amy and Jess share the impact of the Ennea

Feb 22, 2024 • 35:07

The Journey from Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon’s Tale of Recovery [S07-031]

The Journey from Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon’s Tale of Recovery [S07-031]

This week we revisit our conversation with accomplished actor and screenwriter John Schaech, known for his roles in "That Thing You Do" and the upcoming series "Blue Ridge," and his wife, Julie Solomon, a top branding coach, best-selling author, and podcast host. Together, they share their insights into how the Enneagram has shaped their personal and professional lives. In this episode, we explore: How John and Julie navigate their relationship dynamics as an Enneagram Four with a Five Wing an

Feb 15, 2024 • 49:20

The Good News About Anxiety, feat. Dr. David Rosmarin [S07-030]

The Good News About Anxiety, feat. Dr. David Rosmarin [S07-030]

We’re amid an epidemic of anxiety.  It affects all of us, our children, our peers, our partners. Yet, what if we could reframe anxiety in a new way that helps people live in a healthy relationship with something we all experience…something it means to be human?   Our guest, Dr. David Rosmarin, Enneagram 3w2, associate professor at Harvard Medical School,  program director at McLean Hospital, founder of the Center for Anxiety, and international expert on spirituality and mental health joins me fo

Feb 8, 2024 • 1:04:52

Exploring Shadow Work through the Enneagram, with Seth Abrams [S07-029]

Exploring Shadow Work through the Enneagram, with Seth Abrams [S07-029]

In this episode, Enneagram guru Seth Abrams returns to the show for an in depth conversation about Shadow Work. The shadow refers to the unconscious aspects of ourselves that we hide or deny. “Really the concept of the shadow is all about what elements in our psyche are unknown to us, what’s outside of our regular awareness [...] it’s not just what’s outside of our awareness, but it’s also what discomforts the sense of self we wish to have,” explains Seth. “Within me, it’s what is true of me tha

Feb 1, 2024 • 53:40

Finding Comfort in the Midst of Suffering, feat. Kristen LaValley [S07-028]

Finding Comfort in the Midst of Suffering, feat. Kristen LaValley [S07-028]

We live in a broken world and suffering is inevitable. But, what are you going to do with what you’ve gone through? Writer and storyteller, Kristen LaValley, Enneagram 5w4, offers a refreshing perspective on faith, spirituality, suffering, and the human experience. She joins me in an exploration of suffering and challenging our beliefs when they don’t hold up in crisis or darkness.  As an Observer, Kristen explains what suffering is like for her, “I go deep inside and compartmentalize like crazy

Jan 25, 2024 • 42:36

Unlock Your Creative Potential: An Exploration of the Enneagram and Artistic Expression with Mary Adkins

Unlock Your Creative Potential: An Exploration of the Enneagram and Artistic Expression with Mary Adkins

How does your Enneagram type influence the creative process? Whether we’re in business, cooking a meal, or writing a book, we’re all content creators on some level. Each of us has the capacity to tap into our gifts and bring something new into the world.  Today, we explore the fascinating interplay between the Enneagram and creativity with author and writing coach, Mary Adkins. This conversation shines a light on the unique hurdles and assets each personality type brings to the table in their ar

Jan 18, 2024 • 1:05:44

Ike Miller Discusses "Good Baggage" and the Enneagram Three's Journey to Authenticity

Ike Miller Discusses "Good Baggage" and the Enneagram Three's Journey to Authenticity

How does your past shape your present relationships? This week's episode is a treasure trove of insights that you won't want to miss! Join us as we sit down with the insightful Ike Miller, PhD, author, pastor, and Enneagram Three, who brings a fresh perspective on how the baggage we carry from our childhood isn't all bad. In fact, it might just be the key to unlocking healthier relationships and a more authentic self. Ike's new book, "Good Baggage," challenges the notion that all our past exper

Jan 11, 2024 • 50:57

Becoming a Worry-Free Parent, feat. Sissy Goff, LPC-MHSP (Type 1)

Becoming a Worry-Free Parent, feat. Sissy Goff, LPC-MHSP (Type 1)

This week, we are thrilled to welcome back Sissy Goff, an accomplished counselor and leading voice in parenting and child psychology. As an Enneagram 1, Sissy has served as the director of counseling at Daystar Ministries since 1993, where she has impacted countless families over decades of devoted work. She returns to discuss the connection between parental anxiety and anger and how they impact our children. We also explore:  Her experience as an Enneagram 1 and how it's helped shape her role

Jan 4, 2024 • 47:47

Cultivating Confidence, feat. Peter Atwater

Cultivating Confidence, feat. Peter Atwater

With the Enneagram, what we do is not as important as why we do the things we do. This also applies to confidence.  Behavioral economics pioneer, internationally sought-after consultant, and professor of confidence-driven decision-making Peter Atwater explains,  “The ‘why’ to me is all related to our feelings of certainty and control because when I boil down what confidence is it’s knowing what’s coming and feeling like we are prepared for it.”   Today, we explore what confidence is and how to c

Dec 28, 2023 • 48:32

From Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon's Tale of Recovery (S07-023)

From Addiction to Authenticity: John Schaech and Julie Solomon's Tale of Recovery (S07-023)

Today on Typology we welcome a dynamic couple to the show: accomplished actor and screenwriter John Schaech, known for his roles in "That Thing You Do" and the upcoming series "Blue Ridge," and his wife, Julie Solomon, a top branding coach, best-selling author, and podcast host. Together, they share their insights into how the Enneagram has shaped their personal and professional lives. In this episode, we explore: How John and Julie navigate their relationship dynamics as an Enneagram Four wit

Dec 21, 2023 • 47:28

Four Distinct Ways We're All Created to Hear God, feat. Havilah Cunnington (Type 7)

Four Distinct Ways We're All Created to Hear God, feat. Havilah Cunnington (Type 7)

How do you discern what God is saying? The Enneagram teaches us that we’re not all the same person. It allows us to be unique and have unique experiences. So, what if the key to hearing Him is understanding the distinct way he speaks to you?  Today’s guest, pastor and author Havilah Cunnington reminds us we can’t assume that God speaks to us all in the same way. “I think that’s really important in life, to be different, to have a uniqueness, to understand that God doesn’t interact with all of Hi

Dec 14, 2023 • 1:12:28

What are the Five Marks of a Man? feat. Brian Tome (Type 8w7)

What are the Five Marks of a Man? feat. Brian Tome (Type 8w7)

What does it mean to be a man? It can be an incendiary question in some circles.  But Brian Tome brings his Enneagram Eight energy to the topic as we explore his new book, The Five Marks of a Man: finding your path to courageous manhood,  “I didn’t have that definitive moment where I crossed from boyhood to manhood because no one ever declared me a man. No one ever told me that,” explains Brian. “It’s not an age thing. It’s not  what kind of truck or Prius you drive. It’s an attitude and a certa

Dec 7, 2023 • 1:05:34

Living Fully through the Voice of the Heart, feat. Chip Dodd

Living Fully through the Voice of the Heart, feat. Chip Dodd

In today's episode, distinguished guest Dr. Chip Dodd, a beacon of guidance and hope, joins me for a beautiful conversation about the power of feelings and relationships. We explore his groundbreaking Spiritual Root System (SRS), a simple yet powerful framework for understanding your emotional and spiritual nature and integrating it into your desired life. With his profound understanding of addiction, stress illnesses, and burnout, he shares insights that guide people toward healing.  We also di

Nov 30, 2023 • 49:13

Curiosity is a profound expression of love, feat. Scott Shigeoka (Type 7)

Curiosity is a profound expression of love, feat. Scott Shigeoka (Type 7)

Curiosity is something we’re all born with…it’s a desire to know, a search for understanding. In today’s episode, Enneagram 7, Scott Shigeoka shares how his innately inquisitive nature allows him to foster deeper connections and explains how others can and should do the same. “We often think about [curiosity] as an intellectual tool to extract information, but actually you can move from the mind into the heart and it can become a heart-center tool that you use to better understand people, to und

Nov 23, 2023 • 56:15

How Enneagram Types 7-9 Can Mitigate Stress [S07-017]

How Enneagram Types 7-9 Can Mitigate Stress [S07-017]

Each of us manage stress differently, but understanding our pressure points and automatic reactions allows us to consciously change the way we respond. When we understand the triggers of others, we can compassionately support them as well.   In Part 3 of our 3-part series, Anthony and I focus on the unique ways Enneagram 7s, 8s, and 9s experience and manage stress. We explore:    How Type 7s cope with the frustration of restrictions and the struggle to stay engaged when their freedom to choose

Nov 16, 2023 • 42:19

Part 2: How Enneagram Types 4-6 Can Mitigate Stress

Part 2: How Enneagram Types 4-6 Can Mitigate Stress

How do you manage the weight of what’s going on in the world these days? Each of us handle stress differently, but when we take the time to recognize our triggers and automatic reactions, we’re able to stop, pivot and intentionally change our response.   In Part 2 of our 3-part series, Anthony and I focus on the unique ways Enneagram 4s, 5s, and 6s experience and manage stress.   We explore how: Type 4s can channel their profound empathy to forge deep connections and resilience in the face of

Nov 9, 2023 • 30:50

How Enneagram Types 1-3 Can Mitigate Stress

How Enneagram Types 1-3 Can Mitigate Stress

There’s a lot going on in the world right now and we’re all feeling different types of pressures.  Each of us handle stress in different ways, and if we’re not careful, we can let our unhealthy behaviors take the lead. So, how do we work through seasons of stress to become the best, most helpful, most loving and compassionate expression of ourselves.  I believe the Enneagram can help.  It’s not a cure-all, but the Enneagram recognizes and takes into account the fluid nature of the personality, w

Nov 2, 2023 • 31:12

How to Process Grief Based on Your Enneagram Type [S01-015]

How to Process Grief Based on Your Enneagram Type [S01-015]

Grief is not something you do. It’s something you go through.  All of us experience different types of grief and each of us grieve in different ways. But if we allow grief to consume us, if we don’t grow through grief, it locks us in the past and keeps us stuck.  The recent loss of my mother has been an invitation for me to reflect on the ways I process my own grief.  So today, Anthony and I wanted to bring this topic to you and offer some useful insights on how each Enneagram type expresses gri

Oct 26, 2023 • 32:28

Living a life of purpose, feat. Jay Hewitt (Enneagram 3) [S07-014]

Living a life of purpose, feat. Jay Hewitt (Enneagram 3) [S07-014]

Our greatest legacies are not just in what we achieve, but in the indomitable spirit we demonstrate and pass on to the ones we love. Living a life of purpose could be the greatest gift you can give to the people you love.  In today’s episode, pastor and motivational speaker, Jay Hewitt shares his deeply personal journey of facing a terminal brain cancer diagnosis at thirty-seven and opens up about the big questions that challenge him and the profound lessons his diagnosis has taught him about vu

Oct 19, 2023 • 35:33

Growing Emotionally and Spiritually through the Enneagram, with Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere (Types 1 and 2) [S07-013]

Growing Emotionally and Spiritually through the Enneagram, with Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere (Types 1 and 2) [S07-013]

How can we use the Enneagram to understand and navigate our emotions? Each of us has a unique emotional wiring that has shaped our personality. But oftentimes, we undervalue the importance of our feelings. “Feelings are just as much a gift from God as thoughts,” explains Dr. Bill Gualtiere, “[...] our thoughts influence our feelings. But our feelings influence our thoughts also, and our feelings and emotions are very biological."  Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere join me for an Enneagram-filled co

Oct 12, 2023 • 49:19

Finding Success Without A Recipe, feat. Mignon Francois (Enneagram 2) [S07-012]

Finding Success Without A Recipe, feat. Mignon Francois (Enneagram 2) [S07-012]

The metric of success is not tied to money or fame, it’s living up to what you’re called to do. Founder and CEO of The Cupcake Collection, Mignon Francois, joins us for a delightful conversation about how she turned her last $5 into a $10 million dollar cupcake empire.  Now she’s helping other people learn what they can do if only they believe in themselves.   “Everything is already here that will allow you to become or to create whatever it is that you decided in your heart that you want to do,

Oct 5, 2023 • 46:38

Loneliness and the Power of True Connection, feat. Justin Whitmel Earley [S07-011]

Loneliness and the Power of True Connection, feat. Justin Whitmel Earley [S07-011]

As human beings we’re wired for connection – to be seen and known fully – yet loved anyway.  When we lack this true connection, we begin to drift into a feeling of loneliness or isolation, both of which have been proven to impact our physical and mental health.  Today’s guest, Justin Whitmel Earley, explains the difference between social isolation and loneliness, then implores us to prioritize healthy, deep connections with others stating, “The difference between those of us who are persevering

Sep 28, 2023 • 42:19

What's So Amazing About Grace?, feat. Philip Yancey [S07-010]

What's So Amazing About Grace?, feat. Philip Yancey [S07-010]

Philip Yancey is an award-winning author, renowned theologian, and influential speaker who has written 13 Gold Medallion award-winning books and won two ECPA Book of the Year awards for What’s So Amazing About Grace? And The Jesus I Never Knew.  Today, I had the wonderful opportunity to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the bestselling book, What’s So Amazing About Grace? with author Philip Yancey.  The question is just as relevant now as it was when the book was first published.  It still hold

Sep 21, 2023 • 47:54

Living in Alignment with Dr. Julia DiGangi

Living in Alignment with Dr. Julia DiGangi

“We have three energetic engines of what it means to be human. One is our feeling, one is our thinking, and one is our behaving. When those three things are integrated, the way that we’re kind of wired, when we kind of again walk into the party and we’re really behaving and thinking and feeling all in alignment, this is the fullest expression of a human being.” explains Dr. Julia DiGangi.  Our new friend. Dr. Julia DiGangi brought the conversation today! We dig into the emotional, cognitive, and

Sep 14, 2023 • 53:09

Trusting Your Self, feat. Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6) [S07-008]

Trusting Your Self, feat. Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6) [S07-008]

Sixes have excellent analytical minds, are great strategists, troubleshooters, problem-solvers, and of course, see worst-case scenarios that other people don't see. The passion of the Six is fear which is often experienced as anxiety…anxiety that the unexpected could happen at any time. But once they launch a mental narrative in their head of all that could go wrong, these fictional stories can take on lives of their own and can grow and crowd out what’s actually happening.   Today, we revisit m

Sep 7, 2023 • 51:12

Balancing the Contradictory Elements of an Enneagram 5w4, feat. Jason Adam Miller [S07-007]

Balancing the Contradictory Elements of an Enneagram 5w4, feat. Jason Adam Miller [S07-007]

There’s no such thing as a pure personality type. We’re all a mash up of two types – your dominant type and your dominant wing. Knowing your wing is important because they reveal a whole different side of your personality and can explain contradictory elements within your personality. Enneagram Fives are edged between the passionate, intense Four on one side and the loyal but anxious Six on the other. Depending on their dominant wing, these two can look very different. Today, we explore how an E

Aug 31, 2023 • 43:49

From Burned Out to Fully Charged, feat. Dr. Neha Sangwan (Type 1w2)

From Burned Out to Fully Charged, feat. Dr. Neha Sangwan (Type 1w2)

Burnout is more common than you think and the rates continue to rise. So, what constitutes burnout and how do we combat it?  First, we need to understand the stressors that lead to burnout in the first place.  According to physician, executive coach, and speaker Dr. Neha Sangwan, “burnout is due to prolonged stress and an ongoing net drain of energy on one or more of five levels: physical, mental, emotional, social, and spiritual. When we burn out, our productivity suffers, our health declines,

Aug 24, 2023 • 50:18

Gut Feelings with Functional Medicine Expert, Dr. Will Cole (Enneagram 5w4) [S07-005]

Gut Feelings with Functional Medicine Expert, Dr. Will Cole (Enneagram 5w4) [S07-005]

What is the gut-brain connection, and what role does it play in living a healthy and fulfilling life? Functional medicine expert Dr. Will Cole joins us to talk about his newest book, Gut-Feelings: Healing the Shame-Fueled Relationship Between What You Eat and How You Feel, and how to heal our bodies through nutrition. Versed in the Enneagram, Dr. Cole shares how it has helped him educate and empower others by learning to communicate with others in a way they can receive it.   "My Enneagram Five

Aug 17, 2023 • 49:31

Dr. Curt Thompson on Suffering and the Formation of Hope (Enneagram 4) [S07-004]

Dr. Curt Thompson on Suffering and the Formation of Hope (Enneagram 4) [S07-004]

To be human is to suffer. Most people try to bypass suffering or live with it in isolation. But true healing happens when you acknowlege its presence, learn to be with it, and allow others to come alongside you in your pain.  “Suffering is this whole notion of my perception that, 'I’m alone with my pain.’ So suffering is a direct function of the degree to which I am isolated with my pain,” explains Dr. Curt Thompson. “If I practice allowing others to be with me, it changes the nature of how I pr

Aug 10, 2023 • 54:05

Harnessing Your Intuition to Achieve Personal and Professional Success, feat. Liz Tran [Enneagram 7] (S07-003)

Harnessing Your Intuition to Achieve Personal and Professional Success, feat. Liz Tran [Enneagram 7] (S07-003)

Does your internal world align with your external world? If not, how can the Enneagram help you harness the vast treasures of instinctual insights and inspirations on a regular basis to realize personal and professional success?  Liz Tran, Executive Coach and author of The Karma of Success, joins me for a wonderful conversation about tapping into your inner genius in order to capitalize on what you’re truly capable of. She shares the four spiritual strategies that foster reflection and help you

Aug 3, 2023 • 50:03

Gifts from the Unexpected, feat. Jillian Benfield (Enneagram 3) [S07-002)

Gifts from the Unexpected, feat. Jillian Benfield (Enneagram 3) [S07-002)

We live in a world where we are faced with profound suffering on the news all day long and we see too much suffering of the world. But how do we take the unexpected things that happen to us and somehow breathe new life into them? Author of The Gift of the Unexpected: Discovering Who You Were Meant to Be When Life Goes Off Plan, Jillian Benfield believes, “No matter what your unexpected circumstance is–you don’t have to classify it as good–but I do think that good can come out of it and that [goo

Jul 27, 2023 • 42:25

Renée Rosario on Holy Ideas and the Enneagram [S07-001]

Renée Rosario on Holy Ideas and the Enneagram [S07-001]

We’re kicking off Season 7 with a topic I’ve not yet discussed on the show: Holy Ideas.  Holy Ideas remind us of the powerful spiritual roots of the Enneagram. They are great, universal, spiritual truths that we forgot or lost touch with, as the ego created an overlay of personality. It’s a challenging concept, but today’s guest, renowned Enneagram teacher Renée Rosario walks us through the Holy Ideas for each type and reminds us to “relax with awareness into this idea that there is a power grea

Jul 20, 2023 • 56:29

Revisit: Finding Your Inner Encourager with Julianne Cusick (Enneagram 1)

Revisit: Finding Your Inner Encourager with Julianne Cusick (Enneagram 1)

As Richard Rohr says, Ones are childlike and full of joy and wonder at the world and creation.  But for Ones, that sense of joy has been lost.  Instead, they suppress their own feelings and focus on being good and doing what is right.  They feel a sense of duty and responsibility and may harbor resentment toward others who don’t see things the right way – their way.  But what would it look like if Ones reclaimed their childlike wonder? When Ones move toward health, they begin to let judgments go

Jul 13, 2023 • 54:53

Revisit: Becoming Lisa Whelchel

Revisit: Becoming Lisa Whelchel

Enneagram Threes focus on outstanding performance, being perceived as successful, and avoiding failure at all costs. They believe that love comes from achievement, image, and status and have the tendency to neglect or ignore the personal needs of self and others. But when Threes move toward health, they move to the high side of Six.  When that happens, they no longer need to “drive the bus” or flaunt success. They are so good at helping others live to their full potential and be successful in th

Jul 6, 2023 • 1:01:15

Bittersweet State of Mind, feat. Susan Cain (Enneagram 4)

Bittersweet State of Mind, feat. Susan Cain (Enneagram 4)

Have you ever wondered why you like sad music, find comfort or inspiration in a rainy day, or react intensely to music, art, nature, and beauty?  If so, you may identify with the bittersweet state of mind.  Bestselling author Susan Cain joins Anthony and I in a deep exploration of the important topic of bittersweet. She explains that “as humans, we enter this world with a sense of longing and separation from a more perfect and beautiful world. We come into the world with this knowledge and with

Jun 29, 2023 • 41:58

Embracing Human Connection with Carlos Whittaker

Embracing Human Connection with Carlos Whittaker

Some of my favorite interviews on Typology happen when a guest comes on thinking they’re one type but they present differently. Today is one of those conversations. We start the show by talking to author, speaker, and social media personality, Carlos Whittaker, exploring how he determined his type and what struck him the most about being an Enneagram 9. Not long into our conversation, we begin to unravel the lines between Enneagram 3s, 6s, and 9s and dig into a brief typing interview. It’s an en

Jun 23, 2023 • 56:06

Using Art to Inspire Healthy Conversations, feat. Craig Lamar Brown and Andrea Summer (Type 4)  [S06-050]

Using Art to Inspire Healthy Conversations, feat. Craig Lamar Brown and Andrea Summer (Type 4) [S06-050]

When human language can no longer carry the freight of an idea or a spiritual truth, you have to default to metaphor or to another language that can do that job. That language might be sculpture, film, music, or art…whatever medium can express things that discursive analytical language cannot. No other Enneagram type can match the Enneagram Four’s creative gift for giving language to ideas others of us can’t find words for. Today’s guests, Craig Lamar Brown and Andrea Summer share how they used

Jun 15, 2023 • 54:27

Relationship Dynamics of an Enneagram 6 and Enneagram 1, feat. Chief Mike Alexander and Cheryl Alexander [S06-048]

Relationship Dynamics of an Enneagram 6 and Enneagram 1, feat. Chief Mike Alexander and Cheryl Alexander [S06-048]

Let’s face it, relationships are complicated.  But the more you know about yourself and your partner, the easier it is to communicate and navigate conflict. This week, Mike Alexander, Enneagram Six returns along with his wife, Enneagram One, and psychotherapist Cheryl, for a powerful conversation about the dynamics of their relationship and their own journey of healing within their types.  We dig into a few of the challenges they face and learn how figuring out the inner workings of themselves a

Jun 8, 2023 • 50:35

Healing an Addiction to Drama, feat. Dr. Scott Lyons (Enneagram 4)

Healing an Addiction to Drama, feat. Dr. Scott Lyons (Enneagram 4)

Whether we’re watching it play out on social media or experiencing it in our relationships and workplaces, all of us know someone who is addicted to drama.  But how do you recognize a drama addiction in yourself or others?  And once you recognize it, how do you break the cycle and live more peacefully? Today on Typology, clinical psychologist Scott Lyons, Ph.D., reveals how he learned to navigate generations of trauma and identifies what a drama addiction is.   “Like all addictions, it is lookin

Jun 1, 2023 • 42:57

Find What Drives You, feat. Kevin Miller (Enneagram 7) [S06-046]

Find What Drives You, feat. Kevin Miller (Enneagram 7) [S06-046]

What roadblocks keep you from reaching your true potential? How can you shift your mindset to find true inspiration and fulfillment?  CEO of SelfHelp(ful) and host of the SelfHelp(ful) podcast, Kevin Miller believes the key to motivation is understanding what it is that you truly value.  “If it wasn’t anybody else, if it was just for you, what do you really want, that you can own?” asks Kevin. For a lot of people, when they really become clear on that value, they find it bumps against their exis

May 25, 2023 • 41:24

Part 2: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor

Part 2: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor

Last week David Gungor shared his struggle in determining his type, how he embraces his “chaotic intentionality,” and what it means to need others to “get out of his face.”  Today we continue the conversation using the Enneagram to help Enneagram Eights grow in self-awareness through spiritual practices and leaning into the people they do trust to gain true intimacy.   David Gungor is a member of The Brilliance, the American worship music duo of David Gungor and John Arndt. The band started maki

May 18, 2023 • 46:54

565: The Vegan Bible, Loveless Christianity, & Spiritual Narcissism with Rainn Wilson

565: The Vegan Bible, Loveless Christianity, & Spiritual Narcissism with Rainn Wilson

Ethicist, David Gushee, says we are seeing the emergence of a new kind of loveless Christianity. But those who practice it say their anger, culture warring, and pursuit of power are actually how they’re loving their neighbors. Then, Skye talks to actor Rainn Wilson, best known as Dwight Schrute from “The Office,” about religious pluralism, spiritual narcissism, why Hollywood misrepresents Christians, and how he became a follower of the Baha’i faith. Wilson’s new book is “Soul Boom: Why We Need a

May 17, 2023 • 1:23:28

Part 1: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor (Replay)

Part 1: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor (Replay)

Enneagram Eights are called The Challenger for a good reason.  Eights don’t like to feel controlled and avoid any appearance of vulnerability.  They are naturally confrontational and their combative energy can feel intimidating to others.  But what feels like intimidation to others actually feels like connection to an Eight.  Eights express their anger freely, are fueled by high levels of stimulation, and react very strongly against challenging injustices.  And, as you’ll hear from our guest, Da

May 11, 2023 • 37:22

How Can Enneagram Stances Help You Move Through the World? feat. Dr. Jerome Wagner [S06-043]

How Can Enneagram Stances Help You Move Through the World? feat. Dr. Jerome Wagner [S06-043]

The Enneagram is complex and dynamic and is itself, this act of self-curiousity, a portal to growth. With that in mind, how do we use it in an intentional way to achieve more integration and balance in our lives? In today’s episode, we dial into the importance of Stances with Enneagram master Dr. Jerome Wagner. Stances are a way that we move through the world in order to get our needs met, but “they can also be a defensive strategy so they work in both ways,” says Dr. Wagner, “They protect us an

May 4, 2023 • 35:37

Kelli Thompson Closes the Confidence Gap (Type 5)

Kelli Thompson Closes the Confidence Gap (Type 5)

Discovering the Enneagram was the key to helping Kelli Thompson get out of her head, move through doubt and rumination, and take action.  “It was really just a journey of how do you bring your life back into alignment with your values, learn to trust your heart and your gut, and that they have just as much merit as your brain, and then how do you use that to speak up and set boundaries, and take next steps forward and to make confident decisions,” says Kelli. In this episode, Kelli shares the im

Apr 27, 2023 • 38:46

How an Enneagram 4 and Enneagram 8 Balance Their Relationship, feat. Makoto and Haejin Fujimura

How an Enneagram 4 and Enneagram 8 Balance Their Relationship, feat. Makoto and Haejin Fujimura

Are an Enneagram 4 and an Enneagram 8 compatible? While both bring a fierce intensity to the world, they each bring different gifts to the table.   Helen Palmer describes their match up, as “a partnership of intensity acted out by fight, flight fascination, and flare. Each feels somewhat awed by the other. Eights feel themselves to be coarse and blunt in comparison with the elegant and socially adept romantic. From their side, Fours can be utterly magnetized by the socially shameless boss. It ca

Apr 20, 2023 • 48:52

What’s Your Instinctual Stack? feat. EnneaApp Creator Elan Benami (Type 6)

What’s Your Instinctual Stack? feat. EnneaApp Creator Elan Benami (Type 6)

What is an Instinctual Stack? Do you know yours? We all have three instincts. None of us are absent one. However, one does tend to be dominant.  But what are instincts and how do they influence how each type shows up in the world?  Today’s guest, Elan Benami, creator of the EnneaApp and author of  Enneagram Patterns & Poetics, provides a great overview of Instincts, Subtypes, and the Instinctual Stack and shares how they play out for him in his personal and professional life.  –  Elan is an LPC

Apr 13, 2023 • 36:04

Replay: Healing from past sufferings, feat. Dr. Dan Allender (Type 8)

Replay: Healing from past sufferings, feat. Dr. Dan Allender (Type 8)

How has your past uniquely prepared you to experience more joy? In today’s replay of one of my favorite episodes, Dr. Dan Allender and I explore this question in an insightful conversation about healing the heart from trauma, rewriting the broken stories we adopt as children, and the overlap with the Enneagram.   Professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School and founder of The Allender Center, Dr. Dan Allender has pioneered a unique therapy centered around his innovative theory and tr

Apr 6, 2023 • 55:53

How the Enneagram Can Help You Build Emotional Intelligence, feat. Scott Allender (Type 3)

How the Enneagram Can Help You Build Emotional Intelligence, feat. Scott Allender (Type 3)

Research has shown that Emotional Intelligence (EI) is one of the biggest predictors of personal and professional success.  But how do you develop it?   Today’s guest, expert in global leadership and organizational development and co-host of The Evolving Leader Podcast, Scott Allender joins Ian to discuss what emotional intelligence actually is, how the Enneagram aligns with the five essential skills needed to cultivate it, and shares the importance of reclaiming our lost parts for true healing

Mar 30, 2023 • 36:20

Singer-Songwriter Cindy Morgan on the Enneagram (Type 4)

Singer-Songwriter Cindy Morgan on the Enneagram (Type 4)

This week, my dear friend and gifted songwriter, Cindy Morgan, joins me for a great conversation about Enneagram Fours, including the push-pull dance of fours in relationships, the well of suffering we can get trapped in, and the importance of authenticity. We also discuss the story behind her debut novel, The Year of Jubilee, and explore how she integrated the Enneagram into the main characters' development.    About Cindy Morgan Singer/songwriter Cindy L. Morgan is a two-time Grammy nominee, a

Mar 23, 2023 • 48:18

Three Words That Change Everything, feat. Mark Batterson (Type 3)

Three Words That Change Everything, feat. Mark Batterson (Type 3)

As the New York Times bestselling author of 23 books and lead pastor of National Community Church, Mark Batterson believes that the foundation of all healthy relationships and successful careers stems from our proficiency in these three words: Please. Sorry. Thanks.  All three of these words require a posture of humility. All three of these words unlock the law of reciprocity and foster connection and understanding. As Mark puts it, “to me, ‘please’ is a way of being others-focused and honoring

Mar 16, 2023 • 36:49

Permission to be honest, feat. Kate Bowler (Type 2)

Permission to be honest, feat. Kate Bowler (Type 2)

When Kate Bowler was diagnosed with Stage IV cancer, she was forced to grapple with the cultural scripts that box us into a tidy story about how we “earn our lives and get what we deserve,” and that “anything is possible.” But what if those scripts aren’t true?  She joins me for an open conversation about her chronic sadness, suffering, and pain, and invites us to be honest about the lives that can’t be fixed. She reminds us that “we are people to be loved, not problems to be solved.”   Kate Bow

Mar 9, 2023 • 42:51

What actually makes and happy and healthy life? feat. Dr. Robert Waldinger (Type 3)

What actually makes and happy and healthy life? feat. Dr. Robert Waldinger (Type 3)

What actually makes a fulfilling and meaningful life?  Today, Dr. Robert Waldinger, Director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development, reveals the key to real happiness is the strength of our connections and relationships with others.  “The people who stay happiest, healthiest, and live the longest have the warmest relationships with other people, “explains Dr. Waldinger. Dr. Waldinger shares the findings of the longest scientific study of happiness, shedding light on the common misconceptions

Mar 2, 2023 • 34:43

How to 'Get It Right,' with Andy and Sandra Stanley (Type 1s)

How to 'Get It Right,' with Andy and Sandra Stanley (Type 1s)

What are your parenting goals?  What does a “win” look like for you?  Andy and Sandra Stanley determined years ago that their primary goal as parents was to build strong, healthy relationships with their children that continue into their adulthood. “Our legacy is the relationships, the health of the relationships, and the healthy people in the relationships we leave behind,” says Sandra. “We wanted to lay a foundation for our kids early of understanding that life is relationships. And, we wanted

Feb 23, 2023 • 43:15

How to set boundaries without losing your self, with Lysa TerKeurst (Type 9)

How to set boundaries without losing your self, with Lysa TerKeurst (Type 9)

Several years ago we had Lysa TerKeurst on our show and discussed not confusing the desire for peace with the disease to please. Today, Lysa joins us again for a deep conversation about learning to set good boundaries and where she notices her struggle to maintain them.   “It’s not that I don’t want to be clear,” Lysa says, “it’s that sometimes I care so much about what the other person is feeling, that I forget it’s not my job to own their feelings or manage their feelings. It’s my job to be ki

Feb 16, 2023 • 37:51

Letting Hope Abound with Dr. Greg Jones, President of Belmont University (Type 3)

Letting Hope Abound with Dr. Greg Jones, President of Belmont University (Type 3)

As President of Belmont University, Dr. Greg Jones sees the importance of connection and community and puts a strong emphasis on molding character through storytelling. “I think that people are yearning for that sense of hope and that sense of community,” says Dr. Jones, “and, I think, to be able to hear one another’s stories, share one another’s stories, and find a story worth living.” This week, we talk to Greg about whole-person formation, learning to share our stories well, and looking towar

Feb 9, 2023 • 39:28

Preempting Pain as a Counterphobic Six with Josh Shipp (Type 6)

Preempting Pain as a Counterphobic Six with Josh Shipp (Type 6)

As a former at-risk foster kid, Shipp found it difficult to trust adults: “The way I defined trustworthiness was: are you gonna not give up on me when I show you what I'm capable of? When I show you all my ugliness and all of my past and everything you didn't cause, but now you're gonna be dealing with…can you handle all of that?” Josh Shipp wants to pass that experience on to as many others as he can, so those adults can care for the kids in the way he needed: “Every kid is one caring adult awa

Feb 2, 2023 • 43:01

Bo Rinehart Teams Up with His Inner Child to Reframe Past Trauma (Type 4)

Bo Rinehart Teams Up with His Inner Child to Reframe Past Trauma (Type 4)

Two years following his departure from the band, NEEDTOBREATHE, Bo is releasing a candid look at his past with childlike wonder and self-realization under a new name, Coy Roy:  “I got into therapy and began to dig into my childhood and why the trajectory of my life took a different path. I left my six-year-old self back there, and we went different places. [Now I’m] recognizing that I'm not going anywhere and that I'm gonna have to face this. I'm gonna have to deal with it.”  This week, we talk

Jan 26, 2023 • 37:06

For Bonnie Smith Whitehouse, Wonder is An Antidote to Toxic Certainty (Type 2)

For Bonnie Smith Whitehouse, Wonder is An Antidote to Toxic Certainty (Type 2)

Throughout her 20+ years of teaching,  Professor Bonnie Smith Whitehouse, has seen a significant change in her students' ties to religion.  “I've seen them completely abandon spirituality because that drug of certainty has just gotten too toxic for them,” says Whitehouse. “And so, what is really powerful to me is wonder. It's always been really powerful to me, as an Enneagram 2.” This week, we talk to Bonnie Smith Whitehouse about how being an Enneagram 2 has opened her eyes to an alternate post

Jan 19, 2023 • 32:02

Sissy Goff on Why We Should Name Our Worries (Type 1)

Sissy Goff on Why We Should Name Our Worries (Type 1)

As the director of adolescent counseling at Daystar Counseling in Nashville, TN, Sissy Goff has seen first-hand how anxious behavior in children has been fueled by unrealistic social expectations. But according to Goff, one way to address that worry in kids is by teaching them self-talk: “I have them give the worry a name, because we all think of the voice in the back of our head as truth until we learn differently. And so to separate it out. I'll call it the worry monster. I have one girl who n

Jan 12, 2023 • 46:41

4 questions to start off 2023

4 questions to start off 2023

No matter where we fall on the Enneagram, intentionality is a crucial posture to take into the new year. This week, we model how you can think ahead in the new year by drawing a few questions out of a hat and reflecting on the year to come.

Jan 5, 2023 • 14:37

5 Questions for Reflecting on the Year

5 Questions for Reflecting on the Year

A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. The Enneagram is all about self-knowledge, self-reflection and learning about ourselves. We close out the year with today’s episode, and talk through some questions that will help us reflect on our year and look back on what we learned.

Dec 29, 2022 • 20:40

Return of the Mailbag: Ian Answers Even More of Your Questions

Return of the Mailbag: Ian Answers Even More of Your Questions

A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. This week, we take a phone call from a friend. Also: the benefits of the Enneagram for those in recovery.  Tune in to hear our discussion on these topics, plus a few more.  And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a c

Dec 22, 2022 • 19:58

Unlocked: Anxiety and the Enneagram

Unlocked: Anxiety and the Enneagram

A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. Every month, we record a secret ad-free podcast episode exclusively for Typology Institute Members. This week, we’re giving you special access to a conversation between Ian and Anthony about the nature of anxiety and how it relates to the Enne

Dec 15, 2022 • 34:26

Mailbag: Ian Answers Your Questions

Mailbag: Ian Answers Your Questions

A special offer for our podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. I receive so many questions from our listeners via email and social media that I don’t get to respond to them all. But I want you to know I’m paying attention!  So, this week, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions for me to answer. I sh

Dec 8, 2022 • 22:55

Best Of: Part 2 of Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram

Best Of: Part 2 of Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram

Podcast listeners: sign up for the Typology Institute today to get access to all 3 courses and other monthly perks. Go to typologyinstitute.com/workplace and use the code TYPOLOGYPODCAST for 30% savings through the end of 2022 only. Hey folks! Last week, I shared one of my favorite episodes in which the host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets, Andy Stanley and I talked about how your type makes decisions.  Th

Dec 1, 2022 • 41:17

Best Of: Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram

Best Of: Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram

We’re off for Thanksgiving, but while we’re gone, I wanted to share one of my favorite conversations I’ve been a part of about the Enneagram. Make sure to check us out next week for part two!  In this episode, The host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets, Andy Stanley takes over as host and interviews me on how each type makes decisions.  To learn more about the Enneagram and how to use it in the business world

Nov 24, 2022 • 49:53

Unlocked: Mindfulness and the Enneagram, A Members-Only Podcast Episode

Unlocked: Mindfulness and the Enneagram, A Members-Only Podcast Episode

We’ve got a special treat for you this week. Every month, we record a secret podcast episode exclusively for Typology Institute Members. But this month, we’re letting you listen to one of our favorites, a conversation with Andrew Chapman, psychotherapist and meditation teacher, about the nature of mindfulness and how it relates to the Enneagram. You won’t want to miss this deep dive into how transformational mindfulness impacts your daily life.  Check out the Typology Institute Membership to acc

Nov 17, 2022 • 1:05:24

Nancy and Samantha Tell a New Story about the Church (Type 3)

Nancy and Samantha Tell a New Story about the Church (Type 3)

Mother & Daughter duo Nancy and Samantha Beach are both leaning into their Enneagram number by tackling one of the most audacious goals possible: addressing the mass exodus from the church, and working to make it more inclusive.  As a millennial, Samantha suspects there may be a disconnect within the generations when it comes to messaging: “We're seeing this all across society, all the -isms, right? Racism, sexism, homophobia, all these things. And, I think my friends just wanna know, is the chu

Nov 10, 2022 • 39:57

Irene Rollins Stops Living on Autopilot (Type 9)

Irene Rollins Stops Living on Autopilot (Type 9)

For years, Irene Rollins lived on auto-pilot. Unaware of just how motivated by shame she was, it took a jolt to wake her up to the fact that she didn’t have to live a life characterized by fear and defensiveness.  It was an addiction to alcohol, made more severe by the pressures of pastoring a church, that finally woke her up to these bigger problems: “Imagine the weight I was carrying. I still had three kids, the dogs, managing life, and I found myself reintroducing alcohol into my life.” From

Nov 3, 2022 • 51:03

David Thomas on What Makes a Healthy Parent  (Type 1)

David Thomas on What Makes a Healthy Parent (Type 1)

As the director of family counseling at Daystar Counseling in Nashville, TN, David Thomas has seen some patterns develop over the years.  “Some of the healthiest parents I have worked with over the years are parents in recovery,” says David. “Because you've done your work: those basic tenets of ‘I understand I have a struggle, I need God, I need community.’” Those are principles that apply for everyone, whether in recovery or not, and they reflect a kind of humble acknowledgement of reality that

Oct 27, 2022 • 50:23

Finding Meaning Beyond Motherhood with Erin S. Lane (Type 5) [S06-0016]

Finding Meaning Beyond Motherhood with Erin S. Lane (Type 5) [S06-0016]

Is motherhood really the hardest job in the world? Is there such a thing as a biological clock? Is motherhood the highest calling? And is it true that you can’t truly know love until you’re a mother?  For Erin Lane, the mythology around motherhood has gotten out of hand. “How did we make motherhood an occupational, performative, identity based measure of worth?”  This week, we speak to Erin Lane about these questions, and how being an Enneagram 5 has helped her break out of the scripts our cultu

Oct 20, 2022 • 57:07

Colin O’Brady Achieves It All (Type 3) [S06-0015]

Colin O’Brady Achieves It All (Type 3) [S06-0015]

In addition to breaking ten world records, Colin O’Brady’s feats include the world’s first solo, unsupported, and fully human-powered crossing of Antarctica, speed records for the Explorers Grand Slam and the Seven Summits, and the first human-powered ocean row across Drake Passage. Would you be surprised to hear he’s a three on the Enneagram?  But as he grows older, his approach to achieving his goals is changing. “It's not the same burning desire, like deep in my bones,” says Colin. Is he losi

Oct 13, 2022 • 52:12

Pantsuit Politics’ Sarah and Beth Explore the Divide (Types 1 and 2 ) [S06-0014]

Pantsuit Politics’ Sarah and Beth Explore the Divide (Types 1 and 2 ) [S06-0014]

This week, we step bravely into the world of politics, investigating the reasons it feels more divided than ever, and how we can truly listen to one another.  Sarah and Beth started discussing these issues from opposite sides of the aisle, and while their positions have changed over time, they still believe in the power of dialoguing with those who disagree. In fact, they see their shifting positions on politics and government as a sign of the value of truly hearing one another out.  But listeni

Oct 6, 2022 • 52:20

Maud Newton on the Repetitions in Her Family (Type 4) [S06-0013]

Maud Newton on the Repetitions in Her Family (Type 4) [S06-0013]

When Maud Newton read about the traits of the Enneagram Four, she had to laugh out of pure recognition. “On my mother's side, there was this impulse toward larger than life stories. There wasn't really shame around difficult histories and that sort of thing. The greatest sin was to be boring.” Maud’s ancestors were anything but boring. In this episode, Maud shares what she’s learned about herself through exploring her ancestors' lives, and explains how we’re setting ourselves up to repeat our an

Sep 29, 2022 • 42:16

Mattie Jackson Wanted to Be The Best 28-Year Old Widow (Type 3) [S06-0012]

Mattie Jackson Wanted to Be The Best 28-Year Old Widow (Type 3) [S06-0012]

Just three weeks shy of their one-year anniversary, the unthinkable happened. Mattie’s 28-year-old husband died unexpectedly, leaving her with a massive hole in her life.  But being an Enneagram three becomes a double-edged sword in grief: “This compulsion to perform that I have, in whatever I'm doing, was one of my greatest assets in my grief,” says Jackson, who adds,  “It was also one of the things that I had to be the most careful to keep in check.” This week, we hear how she pursued personal

Sep 22, 2022 • 44:12

Mary Gauthier Has Six Decades Worth of Story (Type 8) [S06-0011]

Mary Gauthier Has Six Decades Worth of Story (Type 8) [S06-0011]

Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter Mary Gauthier has experienced abandonment from her mother, put herself in positions where she would inevitably be betrayed, come to terms with the power of her anger, and found herself struggling with addiction and alcoholism. But for Mary, so much of that tumult and life experience came from a sense of internal intensity. “The self-destructive and self-constructive forces inside of me,” she says, “are both very, very strong.” That conflict often can be too muc

Sep 15, 2022 • 1:06:37

Success is Never Enough with Steve Taylor (Type 7) [S06-0010]

Success is Never Enough with Steve Taylor (Type 7) [S06-0010]

Every creative has a dream project: something they’d love to do if they had infinite time and resources. But what if you got the chance to pull off that dream project, and it didn’t succeed?  That’s what happened to Steve Taylor, who poured himself into directing Blue Like Jazz, only to see a middling response at the theater. To him, that result felt like humiliation. This week, we hear about how his experience creating art for a living has changed his approach to success, risk-taking, and his o

Sep 8, 2022 • 58:17

Spiritual Bypassing with AJ Sherrill (Type 3)

Spiritual Bypassing with AJ Sherrill (Type 3)

This week, we’re going deep! With the help of the author of The Enneagram for Spiritual Formation, we discuss the various ways the Enneagram can be used narcissistically, and how to avoid those pitfalls.  Then, we discuss spiritual bypassing, or the ways each type can end up evading the essential personal work they need to do to grow as an individual.  AJ Sherrill (DMin, Fuller Theological Seminary) has more than twenty years of experience as a pastor, including as lead pastor at Mars Hill Bible

Sep 1, 2022 • 57:57

After Grief, Shauna Niequest Finds a Deeper Empathy (Type 7) [S06-008]

After Grief, Shauna Niequest Finds a Deeper Empathy (Type 7) [S06-008]

In the span of a few years, Shauna Niequest found herself experiencing a series of changes and heartbreaks that left her feeling like a completely different person. But in the end, she found herself more easily feeling empathy for those who were going through grief themselves.  In this episode, Shauna and and I discuss the importance of finding the right geographical place for who you are, the various practices that can help us work through our grief, and how our attempts to outrun grief will al

Aug 25, 2022 • 41:41

Julie Solomon’s Search for Acceptance (Type 3) [S06-007]

Julie Solomon’s Search for Acceptance (Type 3) [S06-007]

When her husband discovered Julie Solomon’s thirty thousand dollars of credit card debt, she became acutely aware of how her narrative about herself had failed her. But that moment also kicked off a mutual journey of growth in her marriage. In this episode, Julie explains how being an Enneagram 3 can be a burden as well as a gift, how growing up in a lower-income household led to a complicated relationship with money, and how being married to an Enneagram 4 taught her not to have all the answer

Aug 18, 2022 • 37:39

Living in the Present with Jeanne Stevens (Type 8) [S06-006]

Living in the Present with Jeanne Stevens (Type 8) [S06-006]

For Jeanne Stevens, it didn't take long to see herself in her Enneagram type. But it took the experience of facing three deep losses in a short period of time to finally learn how to process—and ultimately let go—of grief, freeing her up to truly live in the present.  In today's episode, Jeanne shares how a childhood experience led her to believe a narrative about her life that no longer serves her.  She also shares the ways she's learned to live in the present through noticing and naming what's

Aug 11, 2022 • 59:21

Mallory Ervin Shares the Blessing of Her Crash (Type 3) [S06-005]

Mallory Ervin Shares the Blessing of Her Crash (Type 3) [S06-005]

Known for exuding energy, joy, and laughter, former Miss Kentucky and three-time contestant of The Amazing Race, Mallory Ervin reveals her fear of being average and how her hunger to achieve publicly resulted in a big wake-up call.  In today’s episode, we explore her personal story of overcoming the unhealthy and damaging patterns in her life, the turning point that made her go to treatment, and how her time in recovery helped unmask and reveal her true self, allowing her to “live fully.”   Mall

Aug 4, 2022 • 45:10

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 4: Rewrite) [S06-004]

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 4: Rewrite) [S06-004]

What is the life that you want to live? The final step of S.O.A.R. is to rewrite your old story and write a new one that is fulfilling and true to who you are.  The goal is to challenge the old, taken for granted, broken beliefs of your old story and lean into what the future looks like.  So how do you do that?  In today’s episode, I’ll walk you through a few proactive approaches you can take for lasting transformation.  For more exercises, reflection prompts, and guided questions, pick up a cop

Jul 28, 2022 • 15:04

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 3: Awaken) [S06-003]

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 3: Awaken) [S06-003]

This week, we’re talking about Step 3 of S.O.A.R. and what it means to awaken. We’ll explore mindfulness practice, why all of us need to develop this muscle, and we will share a few more tips for rewriting your story.    This is just the sort of work I lead you through in my new The Story of You Workbook.  Get your copy here.

Jul 21, 2022 • 28:45

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 2: Own) [S06-002)

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 2: Own) [S06-002)

What has your broken narrative cost you? This week, we're moving on to step 2 of the acronym S.O.A.R. from The Story of You, which is to 'own' your story. I explain what it means to 'own' your story and why this step is essential on your journey toward transformation.  For more exercises, reflection prompts, and guided questions that can help you make lasting changes, pick up a copy of The Story of You Workbook.

Jul 14, 2022 • 21:33

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 1: See) [S06-001]

Identify Your Origin Story with S.O.A.R. (Step 1: See) [S06-001]

For the next four weeks, I’m going to walk you through each step of the acronym S.O.A.R. to help you identify and rewrite your origin story. The S.O.A.R. acronym is four simple steps you can begin to journey through in order to relax your grip on the old story and craft a new one.   In this episode, I explain the first step of S.O.A.R. which is to ‘see’ how you became who you are today. In order to narrate a new story, we must first explore and accept our history.  I share a few questions to get

Jul 7, 2022 • 31:32

Feeding Your Brain to Become Your Best Self, feat. Max Lugavere, Type 3 [S05-049]

Feeding Your Brain to Become Your Best Self, feat. Max Lugavere, Type 3 [S05-049]

When growing in self-awareness, it’s important to be able to recognize, or identify, what your triggers are. If you’re a regular listener, you’ve heard me talk about how critical meditation and journaling are to strengthen your ability to respond to life rather than react. But, how we treat our bodies is also important.    When I notice I feel anxious, envious, or irritable, I like to pause and notice how I’m feeling physically.  I ask myself, “how did I sleep last night?”, “do I need to go for

Jun 30, 2022 • 1:08:01

Pathological: More than a Diagnosis, feat. Sarah Fay (Type 5) [05-048]

Pathological: More than a Diagnosis, feat. Sarah Fay (Type 5) [05-048]

After reading Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses, I was delighted to have the opportunity to sit down and discuss the book with author Sarah Fay. In this exploration of the ways we pathologize our human experiences, Sarah opens the door to a new conversation about mental health. In this episode, Sarah shares:  How and why do we categorize ourselves to make everyday life easier How any diagnosis can turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy Her recommendations for when you are handed a

Jun 23, 2022 • 1:04:59

The Resilience of the Mind, feat. Dr. Caroline Leaf [S05-047]

The Resilience of the Mind, feat. Dr. Caroline Leaf [S05-047]

This week we’re continuing our series on feeding the brain.  There’s an ample amount of research about the importance of tapping into the mind-body connection, or tuning into our emotional and mental states, to rewire our neuropathways and relieve anxiety, depression, and intrusive thoughts. Dr. Caroline Leaf joins me for a fascinating conversation about “cleaning up the mental mess” and taking back control over your thoughts and life.  In today’s episode, Dr. Leaf: explains the difference betw

Jun 16, 2022 • 1:05:45

Unveiling Wholeness through Neuroscience and the Enneagram, feat. Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson (S05-046)

Unveiling Wholeness through Neuroscience and the Enneagram, feat. Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson (S05-046)

Your brain is a fascinating place that makes you who you are. It is also an endless source of information about how all of humanity not only organizes information but how we make meaning in the world every day. Using the latest advances in neuroscience and the wisdom of the Enneagram, Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson join me for a deep conversation about using neuroscience to unveil our inner wholeness.  They provide specific practices we can all use to awaken to our true selves. To learn more

Jun 9, 2022 • 1:17:44

Couples' Insights from Ian and Anne Cron

Couples' Insights from Ian and Anne Cron

Today, our longtime friends, Michael and Julianne Cusick, join us as special co-hosts to interview Anne and me about how the Enneagram has strengthened our marriage of 33 years. We explore the low sides of our types and how they've negatively impacted our marriage and how we’ve overcome that, discuss the ways our types have helped us each grow, and highlight the important role of self-compassion. Tune in to this very special episode on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player.     Cheers,

Jun 2, 2022 • 39:45

Couples Insights from Ian w/Jon and Tristen Collins [S05-044]

Couples Insights from Ian w/Jon and Tristen Collins [S05-044]

Expressing our emotions is vulnerable, and vulnerability is the secret sauce of relationships. So how do an Enneagram Two and an Enneagram 5, who approach emotions from very different angles, maintain a strong marriage? In today’s episode, I revisit my conversation with Jon and Tristen Collins, authors of Why Emotions Matter, to explore what they’ve learned about each other and how they meet in the middle to build a more intimate relationship.

May 26, 2022 • 32:26

Couples Insights from Ian w/Abner and Amanda Ramirez (Johnnyswim) [S05-043]

Couples Insights from Ian w/Abner and Amanda Ramirez (Johnnyswim) [S05-043]

This week we continue our focus on couples and the Enneagram by taking another look at my conversation with Abner and Amanda Ramirez (better known as Johnnyswim). I break down a few sections I found that exemplify the ways their types complement each other as well as where they might struggle.   If you’d like to know more about how you and your partner can better relate to each other, get a copy of your couples report here.  (Use the code COUPLES to get 10% off).   P.S. Abner and Amanda have a n

May 19, 2022 • 28:28

Couples Insights from Ian w/Kim and Penn Holderness [S05-042]

Couples Insights from Ian w/Kim and Penn Holderness [S05-042]

Taking an Enneagram assessment is a great first step in learning about yourself and how you relate to others and the world. So, how do you use that information to explore who you are in relationship to your life partner? On Typology, we talk a lot about the role the Enneagram plays in how we relate to others. Over the next four weeks, we’re going to focus on partnerships by reflecting on past interviews with couples on the show. These won’t be straight replays. Instead, I’m going to stop at cert

May 12, 2022 • 40:17

Saying Yes to the Truth About Yourself (Enneagram 4) [S05-041]

Saying Yes to the Truth About Yourself (Enneagram 4) [S05-041]

Life doesn't always go as we plan.  As we grow up, we develop certain expectations about who we are and what we'll become.  But sometimes those dreams don't come true. So, what do you do when the dreams die? Artist, Artist, and Enneagram 4, Scott Erickson joins me for a discussion about life beyond the death of those dreams.  We explore the importance of grieving past expectations and he illustrates the freedom that comes from saying yes to new opportunities and finding your true self in the gif

May 5, 2022 • 54:14

Finding Self-Worth as an Enneagram 3 with Pat Flynn [S05-040]

Finding Self-Worth as an Enneagram 3 with Pat Flynn [S05-040]

Enneagram Threes tether their identity and self-worth to how others see them and strive for validation through their accomplishments. So, how does the Achiever see their own value without the esteem and approval of others? Today, we go under the hood of Enneagram 3, Pat Flynn. He shares how the insights he’s gleaned from the Enneagram have deepened his relationship with his wife and opens up about his struggle to find self-worth apart from the love and praise of others,  Tune in to this transpar

Apr 28, 2022 • 54:07

Quiet the Mind, Awaken the Soul, feat. Rick Hamlin (Enneagram 2) [S05-039]

Quiet the Mind, Awaken the Soul, feat. Rick Hamlin (Enneagram 2) [S05-039]

As most of you know, I have long been an evangelist for a daily meditative practice if for no other reason than to help people on their journey of self-discovery. There’s power in the silence.  It trains us to be present, to hear our own voice, and to acknowledge who we truly are. In today’s episode, Rick Hamlin joins me for a rich conversation about how meditation leads to greater compassion, forgiveness, and acceptance.  We explore how silence helps us develop the muscle of attention that give

Apr 21, 2022 • 54:53

Redefining Masculinity with Enneagram 5, Brant Hansen [S05-E38]

Redefining Masculinity with Enneagram 5, Brant Hansen [S05-E38]

What does it mean to be “masculine.” Unfortunately, there are a lot of conflicting ideas and messages about what a “real man” is (and is not). In today’s episode, author, nationally syndicated radio show host, and Enneagram Five, Brant Hansen challenges us to redefine masculinity and paints a refreshing picture of what it looks like at its absolute best.   We have an insightful conversation about the: importance of expressing feelings and affection value of protecting others from a place of kin

Apr 14, 2022 • 1:02:54

7 Courageous Questions from Ian Cron [S05-037]

7 Courageous Questions from Ian Cron [S05-037]

When was the last time someone asked you a question that set you back on your heels? I've always been more interested in questions than answers. So, I keep a notebook of powerful questions that upend me, subvert my assumptions, and stop me in my tracks.  Most of us already have the answer to life's questions; it's just that we're waiting for someone to come along with the key to open the door to answers we already have in our hearts, souls, and minds. The key to that is great questions. Probably

Apr 7, 2022 • 33:52

Processing Trauma through the Mind-Body Connection, feat. Aundi Kolber (Enneagram 4)

Processing Trauma through the Mind-Body Connection, feat. Aundi Kolber (Enneagram 4)

Trauma impacts not just our mental state, but also our emotional and physical health. So, in a world that teaches us to just “try harder” and keep pretending “we’re fine,” how do we make space to process our stories and truly work through trauma? Today, therapist Aundi Kolber explains what trauma is, identifies how it operates in the body, and walks us through the importance of aligning our minds and bodies to build resilience and self-compassion.   She also offers up a few tips for practicing s

Mar 31, 2022 • 1:03:32

Thriving in the marriage-business relationship between Type 8 and Type 9, feat. Christine and Steve Bailey [S05-035]

Thriving in the marriage-business relationship between Type 8 and Type 9, feat. Christine and Steve Bailey [S05-035]

What happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object?  Well, it can either be a recipe for a really great relationship…or a not-so-great one.  But when a Peacemaker and a Challenger are both healthy, they bring out the best in each other. Today’s guests, Christine and Steve Bailey show us how learning to balance their differences as an Enneagram 9 and an Enneagram 8 has helped their marriage and their business thrive. We explore the dynamics between their relationship and how learnin

Mar 24, 2022 • 37:48

Exploring Enneagram Ones with Ian's Editor, Jana Riess [S05-033]

Exploring Enneagram Ones with Ian's Editor, Jana Riess [S05-033]

We have a very special guest for you today…author, editor, and Enneagram One, Jana Riess joins me for an in-depth discussion about The Improvers.  As the very talented editor of both The Road Back to You and The Story of You, Jana is well-versed in the Enneagram and brings a wealth of knowledge and valuable insights to our conversation about lasting personal transformation.  A few topics we explore today are:  the Improvers fixation on anger what messages Ones internalize, and  how Ones c

Mar 17, 2022 • 47:55

Finding Deeper Meaning with Enneagram 7, Bob Goff (S05-033]

Finding Deeper Meaning with Enneagram 7, Bob Goff (S05-033]

This week, attorney, author and Enneagram 7, Bob Goff shares how committing to therapy gave him a common language to better understand and communicate with others. We explore the importance of finding safe people to be authentic with and build deeper, more meaningful relationships. He offers incredible perceptions for Sevens and valuable insights that we can all apply to our lives.  Bob Goff is the author of Undistracted (March 1, 2022) as well as the New York Times bestselling books Love Does,

Mar 10, 2022 • 52:34

From Felon to Fitness to Freedom, feat. Doug Bopst (Enneagram 3) [S05-032]

From Felon to Fitness to Freedom, feat. Doug Bopst (Enneagram 3) [S05-032]

Every personality style has a story that includes a catalog of false beliefs about themselves and the world. But what happens when you take those false beliefs and pain from your younger years and turn them into purpose? Our guest today, award-winning personal trainer and host of the Adversity Advantage podcast, Doug Bopst, explains how he went from hopeless and emotionally bankrupt to helping others overcome adversity to achieve greatness. His inspiring story of transformation is a prime exampl

Mar 3, 2022 • 52:02

Working Together to Rewrite Your Story  [S05-031]

Working Together to Rewrite Your Story [S05-031]

If we're trying to change a million things about ourselves at once, we're only going to find ourselves feeling overwhelmed and discouraged. So, what do we do? Today on Typology, I’m going to walk you through the daily practice I use to help me change the false beliefs and old messages that support and perpetuate my old, broken story. I call it my "New Story Jar." My New Story Jar contains slips of paper with a new message on each that I'm trying to integrate into my life. I pull one (and only on

Feb 24, 2022 • 11:54

Using the Enneagram to Help Find Your Perfect Match, feat. Melissa Hobley, OkCupid [S05-030]

Using the Enneagram to Help Find Your Perfect Match, feat. Melissa Hobley, OkCupid [S05-030]

How do you find your “perfect match” during a pandemic? Over the past two years, dating etiquette has changed and transparent and to-the-point conversations out of the gate are now welcome. More singles are making time for self-reflection, therapy, and finally figuring out what they want in a relationship. So, what role does the Enneagram play in helping people develop deeper, more meaningful connections? Today’s guest, Global Chief Marketing Officer of OkCupid, Melissa Hobley, joins me to explo

Feb 17, 2022 • 56:17

Truth-telling, Reparations, and Forgiveness w/Lisa Sharon Harper (Type 3) [S05-029]

Truth-telling, Reparations, and Forgiveness w/Lisa Sharon Harper (Type 3) [S05-029]

How do you repair that which is broken? You must first be willing to see the truth. We all have broken stories that directly impact the choices we make today. But, when we take the time to reflect on and see the whole truth of who we are, only then can we choose to do things differently. Only then can we craft a new narrative…one that is fueled by forgiveness, kindness, and love. Activist, author, and founder of Freedom Project, Lisa Sharon Harper shines light on the connection between the choic

Feb 11, 2022 • 58:17

Enneagram Expert and Author AJ Sherrill [S05-028]

Enneagram Expert and Author AJ Sherrill [S05-028]

How does the Enneagram help you grow spiritually?  We’ve indirectly touched on this on Typology but I’ve always wanted to specifically explore the Enneagram as a useful tool for profound spiritual formation.   Today, pastor, Enneagram teacher, and author AJ Sherrill joins me to talk about the Enneagram and Spiritualty.  With two Master’s in Theology and a Doctorate in the area of Spiritual Formation, AJ shares spiritual practices each type can adopt to gain clarity and access to a more virtuous

Feb 3, 2022 • 57:54

Forming My Own Opinion as an Enneagram 9, feat. Andy Gullahorn

Forming My Own Opinion as an Enneagram 9, feat. Andy Gullahorn

Each Enneagram Type occupies a story about who they are and how they think the world works.  The Enneagram Nine’s story is built around the mistaken belief that they’re not really as important as other people, or sometimes it’s just that other people just seem to have more energy and investment in their own opinions, preferences, desires, and viewpoints than Nines do.  Coupled with their desire to preserve connections with other people and preserve inner and outer peace, Nines adopt a strategy o

Jan 27, 2022 • 57:50

Special Episode: Ian reads, "The Story of You," - Chapter One

Special Episode: Ian reads, "The Story of You," - Chapter One

As you can imagine, when you’re in the middle of a book launch, you talk to your publisher quite frequently. One of the things that kept coming up in our conversations was a desire to serve our Typology listeners with some great content from my new book. After batting some ideas back and forth, we finally decided on what I think is a great ‘thank you’ to our loyal listeners…. and that is to do a bonus episode of Typology where we actually include an entire chapter of the audiobook version of The

Jan 24, 2022 • 20:47

Embracing the Practically Divine in Ordinary Experiences, feat. Becca Stevens,

Embracing the Practically Divine in Ordinary Experiences, feat. Becca Stevens,

In today’s episode, Becca Stevens joins me for a conversation about embracing the divine in our everyday ordinary and extraordinary experiences. She recounts her observations of sacredness when she opens her heart and truly listens to the stories of others and shares how redefining and rewriting our own stories leads to lasting transformational healing. Becca Stevens is a speaker, social entrepreneur, author, priest, founder of 10 justice initiatives, and President of Thistle Farms. She has been

Jan 20, 2022 • 44:28

The Rhythms of Marriage and the Enneagram, feat. Chris and Jenni Graebe [S05-024]

The Rhythms of Marriage and the Enneagram, feat. Chris and Jenni Graebe [S05-024]

Do you long to enjoy your spouse over a lifetime but you don’t know how to get there? How do you identify where you want to be in your relationship and what practices can you implement to help you get there? In today’s episode, Chris and Jenni join me for a conversation about the habits and rhythms that shape a strong relationship with your spouse. We explore how understanding the Enneagram can set your marriage up for success and help you awaken to the things we each can do differently to impro

Jan 14, 2022 • 58:54

Empowering Your Imagination with the Dynamic Type 7 Duo, Nathan and Joy Clarkson

Empowering Your Imagination with the Dynamic Type 7 Duo, Nathan and Joy Clarkson

This is a first! In five seasons of Typology, we finally have our first pair of siblings….who share the same type!  What better way to explore the inner workings of The Enthusiast than from two siblings who share the same Enneagram number? Raised in a home where creativity and deep thinking were celebrated, Nathan and Joy Clarkson join me for a conversation about all things Seven. In this episode, we share:  Tips for raising an Enthusiast from two Sevens The communication style of Sevens The ro

Jan 6, 2022 • 53:11

REPLAY: Dr. Curt Thompson on the Enneagram and Shame

REPLAY: Dr. Curt Thompson on the Enneagram and Shame

The Enneagram provides nine consistent, fairly predictable ways for us to understand and tell our narrative of how we operate in the world and make sense of our lives. It’s a tool that helps us enter into a conversation about the recurring themes and patterns of behaviors that are self-defeating or hurtful to others. One theme that operates as a thread in each of our lives is shame. Next to love, I believe shame is the most powerful force in the universe, but in the wrong direction. In today’s p

Dec 30, 2021 • 1:22:16

REPLAY: Chuck Degroat on the Nine Faces of Narcissism {S05-021]

REPLAY: Chuck Degroat on the Nine Faces of Narcissism {S05-021]

We’re taking a break to be with family over the holiday so we wanted to replay two topic-based episodes that have gone over extremely well with our listeners. This week, take another listen to my killer conversation with psychologist, author, and spiritual director Chuck Degroat, about the nine faces of narcissism.  We’re not talking about people with full-blown narcissistic personality disorder per se. We’re talking about narcissism on a continuum and what it looks like when each Enneagram type

Dec 23, 2021 • 1:09:39

Scott Harrison Writes His Next Chapter [S05-020]

Scott Harrison Writes His Next Chapter [S05-020]

After spending 10 years as a successful nightclub promoter in New York, Scott Harrison made a huge pivot to volunteer as a photojournalist on a hospital ship off the coast of Liberia, West Africa.  That experience changed his life.  Founder of Charity: Water, Scott Harrison returns to Typology to reflect on stories from his childhood and how they’ve shaped who he is today. We explore his journey of transformation, what he’s learned since leaving New York, and get a peek into what’s next for him.

Dec 16, 2021 • 44:40

Why I Wrote My New Book (The Story of You) [S05-019]

Why I Wrote My New Book (The Story of You) [S05-019]

In this special episode, Anthony and I drop by the studio to talk about my new book, The Story of You, and what motivated me to write it.  We all craft a story about who we are and how the world works as little people. Then, as we grow older, we think of our lives as a movie we’re in that’s unfolding in real-time. But the narrative we crafted as children no longer works for us as adults. But how do we change that story? The Enneagram teaches that there are nine archetypal stories that people ten

Dec 9, 2021 • 35:32

James Clear Discusses Personality Styles and Atomic Habits [S05-018]

James Clear Discusses Personality Styles and Atomic Habits [S05-018]

We all have stories that we tell ourselves and others about who we are and how we think the world works. Our daily behaviors and habits follow suit. Part of changing our automatic behaviors is by interrogating and changing the stories that no longer serve us.  Today’s guest, writer James Clear, joins me to talk about how he became the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller, Atomic Habits, and delves into the relationship between personality styles and habits.  In this episode we: Explore wh

Dec 2, 2021 • 49:14

REPLAY: Is Your Story True? Exploring Narrative Through the Enneagram [S05-017]

REPLAY: Is Your Story True? Exploring Narrative Through the Enneagram [S05-017]

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, “What if the story I tell myself and others about who I am and who I'm becoming isn't true?”  As children, we all construct stories, or narratives, to help make sense of our environment. These childhood interpretations set in motion the patterns of behavior that shape our personality…or how we show up for life.  But, when you can understand the false story around which you have organized your life, then you can begin to play with that story a bit to find yo

Nov 25, 2021 • 31:53

Master Class: The Challenger Moving to Grace, feat. Kirsten Powers

Master Class: The Challenger Moving to Grace, feat. Kirsten Powers

CNN senior political analyst and USA Today columnist, Kirsten Powers, is back to talk about her new book, Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People who Drive You Nuts. We explore her journey of moving from an unhealthy Eight—full of judgment, shaming, and blaming—to a healthy Eight with the capacity to extend grace towards those who hold opposing views without sacrificing her values and passionate beliefs.  In this episode, Kirsten walks us through the tools

Nov 18, 2021 • 51:49

Aging Faithfully with Alice and Bob Fryling [S04-015]

Aging Faithfully with Alice and Bob Fryling [S04-015]

Alice and Bob Fryling join me for a wonderful conversation about aging together faithfully. This show is for people of all ages as we talk about better understanding and relating to our older friends, family members, and coworkers.  We also explore their knowledge of the Enneagram. Both Bob and Alice provide deep insights into how they navigate their differences throughout their 50 years of marriage, ways they support each other and work with the Enneagram to uncover their blindspots, and walkin

Nov 11, 2021 • 55:01

Exploring the Soul of the Enneagram Eight w/Kayla Craig [S05-014]

Exploring the Soul of the Enneagram Eight w/Kayla Craig [S05-014]

The Enneagram tells us that there are nine basic personality types, one of which we each gravitate towards in childhood.  But if you dig a little deeper, each type actually has three instinctual variants called subtypes that help explain why people of the same type can look so different.  For each type, there is the self-preservation subtype, social subtype, and the one-to-one subtype. Today’s guest, former journalist Kayla Craig, joins me in a conversation about how understanding her subtype as

Nov 4, 2021 • 33:47

Author John Driver on Honest Conversations about Race and Faith [S02-013]

Author John Driver on Honest Conversations about Race and Faith [S02-013]

John Driver is an award-winning writer and collaborator of more than twenty-five books.  In our conversation, we explore how understanding himself through the lens of the counterphobic Six has impacted his relationships with others, his work in ministry, and his writing. We also discuss his new book, Not So Black and White: An invitation to honest conversations about race and faith.  He shares how being a counterphobic Six impacted the writing of his book, why it’s so important to open the door

Oct 28, 2021 • 43:43

Enneagram Mailbag: Ian Answers Your Questions

Enneagram Mailbag: Ian Answers Your Questions

I receive so many questions from our listeners via email and social media that I don’t get to respond to them all. But I want you to know I’m paying attention!  So, this week, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions for me to answer. This time I share a few tips for parenting an Enneagram 4, introduce the concept of Enneagram harmonic groups, and explore the similarities and distinctions between Types 1 and 3. Tune in to hear our discussion on these topics, plus a few more.  And for a chance

Oct 21, 2021 • 27:50

Healing from Past Sufferings, feat. Dr. Dan Allender [S05-011]

Healing from Past Sufferings, feat. Dr. Dan Allender [S05-011]

How has your past uniquely prepared you to experience more joy? Dr. Dan Allender and I explore this question today in an insightful conversation about healing the heart from trauma, rewriting the broken stories we adopt as children and the overlap with the Enneagram.   Professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School and founder of The Allender Center, Dr. Dan Allender has pioneered a unique therapy centered around his innovative theory and training in transforming betrayal, ambivalence,

Oct 14, 2021 • 57:43

Amy Porterfield on the Gifts of Self-Awareness

Amy Porterfield on the Gifts of Self-Awareness

We’ve got another great guest for you today.  Amy Porterfield, host of the top-ranked podcast, Online Marketing Made Easy, joins me for an insightful conversation about using the Enneagram to illuminate certain aspects of her personality, the benefits of using the Enneagram in the workplace, and how understanding your blindspots fosters empathy and compassion for others.  In this episode, we also cover:  The subtypes of an Enneagram Two,  The gifts of self-awareness, and How she performs under

Oct 7, 2021 • 43:26

Soundtracks, feat. Jon Acuff and His Solution to Overthinking [S05-009]

Soundtracks, feat. Jon Acuff and His Solution to Overthinking [S05-009]

New York Times bestselling author Jon Acuff joins me for an in-depth conversation about the power of our thoughts, the harmful effects of overthinking, and the importance of changing our negative, repetitive thoughts into positive soundtracks.  In this episode, Jon: Shares valuable insights into the mind of an Enneagram 7 Identifies the top 3 negative thoughts he’s still working on  Lists the top 10 hits for popular broken soundtracks, and  Outlines 3 questions to ask yourself to change your th

Sep 30, 2021 • 1:08:01

What Were You Made For? feat. Max and Denalyn Lucado

What Were You Made For? feat. Max and Denalyn Lucado

This week pastor, speaker, and bestselling author, Max Lucado and his wife Denalyn join me to talk about Max’s new book, You Were Made for This Moment: Courage for Today and Hope for Tomorrow. We discuss how each of us is created specifically for this moment in time and dig into the nuances of the Enneagram.  In this episode, we explore: How the Enneagram has had helped them better understand each other and their children  The differences between an Enneagram 3 and an Enneagram 9 What it means

Sep 23, 2021 • 55:37

Escaping Burnout and Living At Your Best, feat. Carey Nieuwhof

Escaping Burnout and Living At Your Best, feat. Carey Nieuwhof

Overworked? Overwhelmed? Overcommitted?  How do you balance your time, energy, and priorities to build the life you want? Today’s guest, Carey Nieuwhof returns to Typology to share the strategy that works for him (and countless others) to set a new, sustainable pace for thriving tomorrow.   Carey explains what the Stress Cycle and Thrive Cycle look like, and how to use the Energy Clock as a roadmap for escaping burnout.  Not only do we discuss Carey’s new book, At Your Best, but we kick off our

Sep 16, 2021 • 1:00:26

Overcoming Crippling Codependency, feat. Taylor Tippett [S05-006]

Overcoming Crippling Codependency, feat. Taylor Tippett [S05-006]

Let’s face it...people are complicated. Our personalities are shaped by multiple factors, including temperament, character, environment, and life experiences. But when we dig in and really learn to understand ourselves better, we not only connect with others with more kindness and empathy, but we begin to see the beauty that arises when we live as our true selves. Today’s guest, Taylor Tippett is a great example of how this plays out.  Taylor is a flight attendant nationally known for leaving

Sep 9, 2021 • 39:39

Can Joy and Sorrow Coexist? feat. Author K.J. Ramsey [S05-005]

Can Joy and Sorrow Coexist? feat. Author K.J. Ramsey [S05-005]

Joy and sorrow can coexist. But how do you live within the intersection of the two?  KJ Ramsey, Enneagram 4w5 and Author of This Too Shall Last: Finding Grace When Suffering Lingers, joins me for a vulnerable conversation about suffering and faith, the tension between joy and sorrow, and finding redemption when we learn to truly live in the middle.   K.J. Ramsey is a licensed therapist, writer, and recovering idealist who believes sorrow and joy coexist. Her writing has been published in The Hu

Sep 2, 2021 • 58:42

Author Rebekah Lyons on Surrender and Acceptance [S05-004]

Author Rebekah Lyons on Surrender and Acceptance [S05-004]

To surrender is to accept what is...and until you surrender, you can’t find healing. In today’s episode, author Rebekah Lyons joins me to talk about the power of acceptance, using your time and energy to live a life of intention, and cultivating a space that allows you to embrace what is.  Throughout our conversation we cover: What it truly means to surrender Daily practices to open yourself to acceptance Tools for managing anxiety and fostering joy   Rebekah Lyons is the author of A Surrender

Aug 26, 2021 • 47:42

Living Lighter w/Allie Casazza [S05-003]

Living Lighter w/Allie Casazza [S05-003]

How do you stop meeting the expectations and pressures of others and start living your life the way you want? In this empowering conversation, author Allie Casazza shares the importance of challenging the beliefs you grew up with and aligning your environment with your new story. In today’s episode we talk about: Why she stopped cleaning up after her life and instead began living it.  The toxic nature of self-suppression and self-betrayal. How the Enneagram helped her reclaim her true self.  A

Aug 19, 2021 • 48:10

Finding Identity and Belonging, feat. Author Bonnie Gray

Finding Identity and Belonging, feat. Author Bonnie Gray

Loneliness. Brokenness. The desire to belong. These are feelings we all share.  But how do these emotions inhibit you from living as your most authentic self? So often we forget that true belonging can only arise when we “accept that brokenness is beautiful” and embrace our own story. That’s where the true treasure lies.  This week, Bonnie Gray and I talk about finding identity in a culture of loneliness, making peace with her difficult past, and the transformation she’s experienced by embracing

Aug 12, 2021 • 48:13

The Minimalists on Minimizing to Maximize What Truly Matters [S05-001]

The Minimalists on Minimizing to Maximize What Truly Matters [S05-001]

In the studio today, we welcome Joshua Fields Millburn and Ryan Nicodemus of The Minimalists.   They've been featured in New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, and of course, they have their own podcast. Their popular documentaries Minimalism and Less is Now are featured on Netflix and now they’ve got a brand new book that you have got to read.  We have a great conversation about clearing the clutter to make room for what’s actually important and how understanding your Enneagram typ

Aug 5, 2021 • 1:04:00

Kara Powell Shares the 3 Pivotal Questions We All Should Answer (Enneagram 3)

Kara Powell Shares the 3 Pivotal Questions We All Should Answer (Enneagram 3)

Wouldn’t it be great if you had an arsenal of conversation starters for the young adults in your life?  Today’s guest, Dr. Kara E. Powell joins me for an important conversation on how to best communicate with teenagers and young adults.  We explore the 3 pivotal questions to ask young adults and share strategies for developing better, more life-giving answers to those questions.  In their new book, Dr. Kara Powell and Brad Griffin offer 300 conversation starters and connection ideas that are cru

Jul 29, 2021 • 48:53

Darren Tyler Connects with his Feelings (Enneagram 5) [S04-057]

Darren Tyler Connects with his Feelings (Enneagram 5) [S04-057]

We’ve got another great guest today.  Darren Tyler is the Founder of Conduit Church of Franklin, TN. Conduit Church has been the vehicle of generosity to people in Asia, Africa and The Americas...drilling wells, building schools and clinics, and freeing slaves.  He’s an Enneagram savvy Five who not only uses the Enneagram in his organization building his team, but has integrated his knowledge into his personal life to strengthen his relationships with his friends and family.  We share a rich con

Jul 22, 2021 • 57:20

Transforming Leaders w/Police Chief Mike Alexander (Enneagram 6)

Transforming Leaders w/Police Chief Mike Alexander (Enneagram 6)

With over 40 years in law enforcement, Mike Alexander, MA, C.I.S.M. is a principal partner at LION Strategy Group which focuses on leadership development, healthy work environments, officer wellness, ethics, and emotional intelligence.  He also sits on the Board of the Enneagram Narrative Tradition and brings his knowledge to organizations and law enforcement agencies across the U.S.  This conversation with Mike is chock-full of wisdom and incredible insight about somatic work, the vacillation b

Jul 15, 2021 • 53:39

Special Mailbag Episode: Ian answers your Enneagram questions

Special Mailbag Episode: Ian answers your Enneagram questions

We received such a great response from all of you after our last mailbag episode, that we’re doing it again! Today, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions from the bag for me to answer. If you love what you’re hearing from the mail bag, you can experience Q&A with me LIVE on our next Town Hall for Typology Institute members. Members get to ask their questions live and the answers end up facilitating great follow up conversations that we just can’t do on this show.  It's truly a great time

Jul 8, 2021 • 25:45

What's Her Enneagram Type? featuring Actress Brooklyn Sudano

What's Her Enneagram Type? featuring Actress Brooklyn Sudano

Whether you’ve known your type for years or just can’t seem to nail it down, typing is not always easy. The Enneagram can be complicated and really uncovers the complexities of the human personality.   Today’s guest, actress, producer, and director Brooklyn Sudano joins me for a fun and revealing conversation about her struggle to identify her type.  So, we spend the whole show trying to tease out her type.   You’ll hear the kind of conversation that can happen when someone is struggling to figu

Jul 1, 2021 • 1:12:11

Centering on What Matters Most, feat. Brett Hagler (Enneagram 3) [S04-053]

Centering on What Matters Most, feat. Brett Hagler (Enneagram 3) [S04-053]

What does it look like when a young entrepreneur discovers his Enneagram type and commits to doing his work and encourages his team to do the same? Today’s guest, co-founder of New Story Charity, Brett Hagler gives a clear picture of how powerful the Enneagram is as a tool for self-growth.  In this episode you learn: How self-awareness positively impacts leadership   What the difference is between a spiritual director and a therapist The gradation of wings and why you should bring them into bal

Jun 24, 2021 • 45:15

Discovering the Authentic Self feat. Bill Haslam (Enneagram 3) [S04-052]

Discovering the Authentic Self feat. Bill Haslam (Enneagram 3) [S04-052]

This week, Former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam returns to the show.  This time we talk about his new book, The Promise and the Peril of Faith in the Public Square, turning his attention inward to matters of the soul since his term ended, and what he’s learning about himself as an Enneagram 3.   Bill Haslam is the former two-term mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, and former two-term governor of Tennessee, reelected in 2014 with the largest victory margin of any gubernatorial election in Tennes

Jun 17, 2021 • 50:49

Breaking the Stigma Mental Health with Ryan Casey Waller [S04-051]

Breaking the Stigma Mental Health with Ryan Casey Waller [S04-051]

“Mental health is health. We all have it. We can ignore it. We can mistreat it. We can take care of it. No matter what though, we can't deny that it exists.” This was Ryan Casey Waller’s response when I asked about his new book, “Depression, Anxiety, and Other Things We Don’t Want to Talk About.” This opened the door to a great, shame-free discussion about mental health and overcoming the stigma that often goes along with it.   Ryan Casey Waller is a psychotherapist, pastor, lawyer, and, accordi

Jun 10, 2021 • 49:58

Special Mailbag Episode: Ian answers your Enneagram questions

Special Mailbag Episode: Ian answers your Enneagram questions

Today, I'm answering a few carryover questions from our monthly Typology Institute Membership Town Hall.   Each month I host a live Town Hall for members where we go beyond Q&A because members get to ask their questions live and the answers end up facilitating great follow up conversations that we just can’t do on this show.  It's truly a great time!  So, I pulled a few questions to share with you this week to give you a peek. If you’d like to join the next Town Hall, just visit typologyinstitut

Jun 3, 2021 • 27:32

Why Emily Ley No Longer Keeps Score (Enneagram 2) [S04-049]

Why Emily Ley No Longer Keeps Score (Enneagram 2) [S04-049]

This week’s amazing guest, Emily Ley, is the Founder of Simplified, a brand of planners and organizational tools for busy women. She's been featured in Forbes, Family Circle, Better Homes and Gardens, Glamour, and Good Housekeeping. She is also a national bestselling author of many books, including her latest, Growing Boldly: Dare to Build a Life You Love.  As an Enneagram Two, she’s doing her work to make positive changes in her professional and personal life.  We talk about her new journey in

May 27, 2021 • 52:12

Let's Talk Enneagram Nines, feat. Beatrice Chestnut (S04-048)

Let's Talk Enneagram Nines, feat. Beatrice Chestnut (S04-048)

Enneagram Nines appear to be so uncomplicated, and yet they’re actually very complicated.  Enneagram Nines share a tendency to be other-referencing or more tuned in to what’s going on in the outside than they are tuned into what’s going on inside. They have a tendency to want to create harmony in their environment, and avoid conflict. They have a unique sensitivity to tension and conflict that they want to prevent or avoid altogether. So, I asked Beatrice Chestnut to join me to go deep into the

May 20, 2021 • 49:16

Amy Downs' Radical Transformation (S04-047)

Amy Downs' Radical Transformation (S04-047)

How does a traumatic incident shape the narrative you tell about yourself?  Our guest today, Amy Downs, shares her incredible transformation that occurred as a result of surviving the Oklahoma City bombing.  In the years since the bombing, Amy became a mother, lost 200 pounds, competed in an Ironman Triathlon, obtained her MBA, and became CEO of the same credit union that was bombed.  It’s one of the most dramatic stories we’ve ever had on this show.  Don’t miss this rich conversation as we lear

May 13, 2021 • 42:35

Recovering Your Authentic Self feat. Holly Hayes [S04-046]

Recovering Your Authentic Self feat. Holly Hayes [S04-046]

Today, Holly Hayes, award-winning author, founder and CEO of Sanctuary Project, and Enneagram 3 joins me to explore the Enneagram as it relates to healing and recovery, how understanding your stress and security points can help identify your type, and the work required to reconnect with your authentic self. It’s a powerful reminder that we all need a safe place to take off our masks and get back in touch with who we are meant to be.

May 6, 2021 • 45:28

Let's Talk Enneagram 1 w/Beatrice Chestnut [S04-045]

Let's Talk Enneagram 1 w/Beatrice Chestnut [S04-045]

Enneagram Ones value principles and integrity and are driven by the need to be good. They are conscientious and ethical and self-controlled. But as with all types, when you dig into subtypes and instincts you’ll see three different versions of the Improvers personality that look and behave differently. Today, Beatrice Chestnut and I dive into: The importance of being familiar with your passion and how to recognize when it’s taken the wheel What each subtype looks like and why knowing yours i

Apr 29, 2021 • 1:00:04

A Framework for Wholeness w/Seth Abram (Enneagram 9)

A Framework for Wholeness w/Seth Abram (Enneagram 9)

I know many of you are looking forward to today’s show and I’m thrilled to share this rich conversation with Enneagram Nine, Seth Abram. Seth is a long-time friend, pastor, singer, songwriter, creator and founder of Integrated Enneagram, and co-host of the popular Enneagram podcast, Fathoms.  Seth not only shares his wealth of knowledge about the work that is needed to become the fullest expression of our true selves but also provides insight into learning to recognize and embrace the role that

Apr 22, 2021 • 53:28

David Nurse on Optimizing Your Potential with the Enneagram

David Nurse on Optimizing Your Potential with the Enneagram

Today’s guest, NBA Life Optimization Coach and former professional basketball player, David Nurse joins me to talk about the importance of self-awareness and the role it plays in leading others and optimizing your potential.  David also shares how making small pivots to look at things from a slightly different perspective can open up your entire perspective and lead to life-giving changes. In this episode you’ll learn: Where types go in health and in stress The importance of a positive mindset

Apr 15, 2021 • 46:14

Let's Talk Enneagram 6 with Beatrice Chestnut [S04-042]

Let's Talk Enneagram 6 with Beatrice Chestnut [S04-042]

In general, Enneagram Sixes focus on scanning for threats and risks, being prepared in case the worst happens, and predicting and anticipating what might happen next so they can be ready to meet whatever challenge occurs.  But, when you get into their subtypes...they can look and behave pretty differently.  I dive into this in-depth today with Enneagram guru, Beatrice Chestnut.  In this episode you’ll learn: What a passion is and why it’s so important to know yours What each subtype looks like

Apr 8, 2021 • 41:33

The Enneagram in Business

The Enneagram in Business

What are the benefits of using the Enneagram in the corporate space? The Enneagram helps grow self-awareness and self-knowledge among team members and executives in order to create a richer, more productive, more profitable environment that is also filled with joy, compassion and empathy.  When applied properly, it really gets under the waterline of consciousness and illuminates why you do what you do and can help you understand how you show up in the workplace.  In this special episode, busines

Apr 1, 2021 • 1:15:27

The Holderness Family Rules of Engagement and the Enneagram (S04-040)

The Holderness Family Rules of Engagement and the Enneagram (S04-040)

Everybody fights, so why not get better at it?  But how?   One of the great things about the Enneagram is it’s a wonderful tool for improving communication between friends, family, spouses, and even coworkers. It fosters the self-awareness needed to be able to disagree better, love more, and maintain healthy relationships along the way. Best-known for their hit parodies on social media, husband-wife duo Kim and Penn Holderness share their tips for communicating, talk about the rules of engagemen

Mar 25, 2021 • 54:10

Jonathan Pitts' Journey Through Grief

Jonathan Pitts' Journey Through Grief

Each of us digests or metabolizes grief in separate ways. It's important to understand how differently people grieve and allow others the space to grieve in the way that is appropriate to their architecture. Author, speaker, and executive pastor at Church of the City, Jonathan Pitts shares his journey through grieving the unexpected loss of his wife, learning to carve out space for joy, and finding beauty in the small things.

Mar 18, 2021 • 50:38

Journey Into the Heart of the Enneagram Two with Beatrice Chestnut

Journey Into the Heart of the Enneagram Two with Beatrice Chestnut

Relationships are extremely important to Enneagram Twos.  They are the most interpersonal number on the Enneagram.  They are other referencing -- focusing their attention outside of themselves.  But when you mix the passion of the Two (pride) with their subtypes, Enneagram Twos not only present in very different ways but their transformational path also varies.     Psychotherapist, coach, business consultant and Enneagram guru Beatrice Chestnut walks us through the heart of the Befriender and pr

Mar 11, 2021 • 1:00:14

MercyMe's Bart Millard Explores the Inner Workings of the Enneagram 6

MercyMe's Bart Millard Explores the Inner Workings of the Enneagram 6

The journey of self-understanding isn’t easy. Each of us are deep, mysterious, and complex beings who don’t fit into one specific box.  Those complexities can sometimes make the process of uncovering your true self difficult. Today’s guest thought he was an Enneagram Seven for a long time but when he realized he was actually a dominant Six with a heavy Seven wing things changed.  Front man of the award-winning Chrisitan group, MercyMe, Bart Millard joins me for a great conversation about the com

Mar 4, 2021 • 1:10:23

Hip-Hop Artist Lecrae's Restoration through Authenticity [S04-036]

Hip-Hop Artist Lecrae's Restoration through Authenticity [S04-036]

We’ve got another great interview today.  An entrepreneur, actor, musician, singer-songwriter, and music executive...hip-hop artist Lecrae joins me in a personal conversation about shame and grief.  We get really honest about his life, where he came from, what influenced his Threeness, a real identity crisis that he hit at the height of his fame, and what role therapy has played in his healing and restoration.

Feb 25, 2021 • 36:42

How Hidden Beliefs Impacted Toni and Carey Nieuwhof's Marriage [S04-035]

How Hidden Beliefs Impacted Toni and Carey Nieuwhof's Marriage [S04-035]

What mud do you bring into your relationships?  Though we’re often unaware of them until we can no longer ignore them, each of us carries hidden beliefs adopted in childhood into every relationship. And until we bring that mud, those self-limiting beliefs, to the surface they’re going to work against us as adults.  This week, Toni and Carey Nieuwhof, join me to talk about the unconscious messages that impacted their relationship, identify the seven core issues that tend to take out marriages, an

Feb 18, 2021 • 51:41

Audrey Assad Embodies the Intuitive Wisdom of an Enneagram 9 (S04-034)

Audrey Assad Embodies the Intuitive Wisdom of an Enneagram 9 (S04-034)

Enneagram Nines have an innate ability to foster peace with those around them.  With their intuitive wisdom and great skill in listening to differences and understanding multiple perspectives, Nines seem to have a leg up on the rest of us when it comes to spirituality.  Artist and multiple Dove award nominee, Audrey Assad beautifully gives us an honest look into the importance of spiritual community, embracing shadow work, and manifesting a non-anxious presence. Listen through to the end as Audr

Feb 11, 2021 • 57:31

Jordan Lee Dooley Owns Her Complex Emotions (Enneagram 3) [S04-033

Jordan Lee Dooley Owns Her Complex Emotions (Enneagram 3) [S04-033

How do you do the things within your control without falling under the illusion that you are in control?  Control is a big theme in all of our lives...it just shows up in different ways. No matter your type, we all try to control others with the suite of behaviors that go with our type.  In fact, we train people to respond to us and interact with us in a certain way based on our type. So, how does an Enneagram 3 respond when faced with something they can’t do -- something that’s out of their con

Feb 4, 2021 • 41:41

Morgan Harper Nichols Illustrates the Beauty in Connection

Morgan Harper Nichols Illustrates the Beauty in Connection

As we navigate the current climate it’s easy to become disconnected. But as humans, we’re actually wired for connection.  We must look for opportunities to connect with each other.  Connection is fuel for the soul. And who better to explain the beauty of connection, of togetherness, than Morgan Harper Nichols. For Enneagram Fives who may already isolate, and be comfortable there, Morgan’s words illuminate the importance and the challenge of balancing that space and connection. Morgan Harper Nich

Jan 28, 2021 • 53:14

Aura Bora Founders, Maddie and Paul Voge on the Power of the Enneagram in their Marriage and Work (Enneagram 9 and 7) [S04-031]

Aura Bora Founders, Maddie and Paul Voge on the Power of the Enneagram in their Marriage and Work (Enneagram 9 and 7) [S04-031]

I often get emails from our listeners asking how the Enneagram can help their marriage.  And usually, the email is asking for advice on a specific type-combination.  That can be difficult to answer because there are so many variants with the Enneagram. But, when you understand the Enneagram--and not just your own type--it can be an invaluable tool for communication and support in any relationship, in any type-combination. Today, we’ve got a young couple joining us to talk about how the Enneagram

Jan 21, 2021 • 41:35

Chris Cook on Finding Your True Self After Trauma (Enneagram 1) [S04-030]

Chris Cook on Finding Your True Self After Trauma (Enneagram 1) [S04-030]

I’m often asked how trauma affects your Enneagram type.  The answer is: it’s complicated.  Trauma is the result of an extraordinarily stressful event that shatters your sense of security and safety and makes you feel isolated and helpless in the world.  It can be a one-time event or ongoing, complex trauma.  Your response to trauma largely determines the type toward which you gravitate as a little child as a way of coping in the world. In today’s episode, Chris Cook opens up about his childhood

Jan 14, 2021 • 1:00:00

Dr. Sasha Shillcutt: Empowerment through the Enneagram (Type 8) [S04-029]

Dr. Sasha Shillcutt: Empowerment through the Enneagram (Type 8) [S04-029]

We often think of Enneagram Eights as powerful, charismatic, and natural leaders.  They make great mentors with an uncanny ability to inspire and uplift people.  Our guest today is a wonderful example of a healthy Eight leader who understands how to balance the power of her personality with self-restraint and vulnerability while motivating others.   Dr. Sasha Shillcutt shares what drives her as an Eight, how she’s managed the past year of the pandemic, and why it’s important for her to empower o

Jan 7, 2021 • 52:05

REPLAY: Lisa-Jo Baker Sets Boundaries as an Enneagram Two

REPLAY: Lisa-Jo Baker Sets Boundaries as an Enneagram Two

At their best, Enneagram Twos truly radiate the unconditional, altruistic love of God. They just sort of signal love out into the world in a way that no other type can. But they also have a hard time being able to stop meeting the needs of others which can empty their tanks and lead to resentment.   This episode resonated so well with a lot of our Two listeners. So, take another listen as Lisa-Jo shares what has changed for her at mid-life, what led her to embrace the superpowers and the krypton

Dec 31, 2020 • 1:05:43

REPLAY: Anne Bogel Gets Decisive as an Enneagram 9 (S04-027)

REPLAY: Anne Bogel Gets Decisive as an Enneagram 9 (S04-027)

Decision making takes courage. But sometimes the commitment to find the best option consumes an enormous amount of mental energy and can leave any of us exhausted and stuck. However, when you learn to stop overthinking you can start spending time on things that bring more peace, love, and joy into your life. Today, we're revisiting my interview with Anne Bogel on getting decisive.  Though we focus a lot on Enneagram Nines in this conversation, I think you'll find her advice applicable -- no ma

Dec 23, 2020 • 37:45

Jelani Memory: What is Good Can Be Gray (Enneagram 1)

Jelani Memory: What is Good Can Be Gray (Enneagram 1)

What is right and what is wrong? What is good? What is not good? We all tend to believe we know, but each one of us would answer these questions differently. Enneagram Ones, in particular, tend to be pretty black and white when it comes to right and wrong. Typically, it’s harder for Ones to see the gray. So, learning to see the fundamental perfection, or goodness, at the core of all things is an important area of growth for Ones. Today, author Jelani Memory and I explore the nuances of The Impro

Dec 17, 2020 • 1:00:49

Part 2: Leeann and Michelle Bring Humor to the Enneagram (Types 4 and 8)

Part 2: Leeann and Michelle Bring Humor to the Enneagram (Types 4 and 8)

This week I continue the conversation with Leeann and Michelle. Blending humor, motherhood, and the Enneagram, Leeann and Michelle show how they approach self-awareness and personal growth with lightheartedness and compassion towards themselves and others. Tune in through the end of the show to hear the advice they each share for processing big emotions. With backgrounds in commercial acting, television news, and comedy – Leeann and Michelle are a firehouse combination. You recognize them from t

Dec 10, 2020 • 39:12

Part 1: Leeann and Michelle Bring Humor to the Enneagram (Types 4 and 8) [S04-024]

Part 1: Leeann and Michelle Bring Humor to the Enneagram (Types 4 and 8) [S04-024]

What happens when two comedians who love the Enneagram get together to make YouTube videos?  You get over 50 amusing Enneagram-related videos to entertain you. With backgrounds in commercial acting, television news and comedy, Leeann Dearing and Michelle Fortin are a firehouse duo who create great comedy in many mediums: parodies, sketch humor and live shows.  You can catch their “Enneagram Funnies” here. These two join me in witty banter to discuss how the Enneagram has transformed their lives

Dec 3, 2020 • 34:48

Jamie Grace Quiets the Noise (Enneagram 7) [S04-023]

Jamie Grace Quiets the Noise (Enneagram 7) [S04-023]

Enneagram Sevens typically appear confident, optimistic, and sunny.  They’re experts at finding the silver lining in any given situation in an attempt to avoid psychological and emotional or even sometimes circumstantial discomfort or distress. But what people don't understand about Sevens is if you scratch the paint just a little bit you’ll find a lot of anxiety and unattended sorrow, unattended grief that they've spent so long living into the expectations that others have of them to always be

Nov 26, 2020 • 54:08

Marcus Johns Learns He's Not in Control (Enneagram 8) [S04-022]

Marcus Johns Learns He's Not in Control (Enneagram 8) [S04-022]

The Enneagram is a wonderful instrument that helps us develop self-awareness and self-knowledge that allows us to move through the world more intelligently, with more love and compassion, but it doesn’t define us.  It helps us develop an internal witness who can stand back and observe when we need to make a different choice or action.  So, when life throws you a curveball, as it did for our guest, Marcus Johns, the Enneagram allows us to shift our perspective and let go of what is not in our con

Nov 19, 2020 • 54:28

Lee and Laura Camp on Healing with the Enneagram (Enneagram 1 and 8) [S04-021]

Lee and Laura Camp on Healing with the Enneagram (Enneagram 1 and 8) [S04-021]

I’m often asked what it’s like for specific type-pairings to be in a relationship?  I believe that any type can have a successful partnership as long as they are healthy in their type.  That doesn’t mean there won’t be challenges along the way, but when you’re self-aware and also understand how your partner sees the world, it allows for more grace and compassion towards each other. Today, Lee and Laura Camp join me in a discussion of how the Enneagram helped them get into a healthy space and all

Nov 12, 2020 • 1:00:48

Ben Higgins: Alone in Plain Sight as an Enneagram 4 (S04-020)

Ben Higgins: Alone in Plain Sight as an Enneagram 4 (S04-020)

We know that Enneagram Ones have a strong inner critic, but they're not alone.  Just how loud is that inner critic for an Enneagram Four?  What does it sound like?  Tune in this week as former Bachelor, Ben Higgins talks about his inner critic, the healing journey of getting over his “Self,” and the role the Enneagram has played in finding true compassion and connection among all of his relationships.

Nov 5, 2020 • 1:05:15

Joshua Dubois on Leading with Self-Awareness and Empathy (Enneagram 8)

Joshua Dubois on Leading with Self-Awareness and Empathy (Enneagram 8)

Enneagram Eights are charismatic individuals who lead through strength, competence, stability, and control. When self-aware, they learn to balance their intensity with a strategic approach and bring community leaders together to execute big changes. Today’s guest, one of our country’s top voices on community partnerships, Joshua Dubois, joins me in a discussion about the Enneagram and how it has made his team more empathetic and more human with one another.   In this episode we cover: Learning

Oct 29, 2020 • 53:26

Alli Worthington on Standing Strong as an Enneagram 7 [S04-018]

Alli Worthington on Standing Strong as an Enneagram 7 [S04-018]

One of my favorite quotes by M. Scott Peck is, “Life is difficult. This is a great truth, one of the greatest truths.” Once you accept that life is hard, and the sooner that you accept it, the better off you’ll be. With all the craziness of 2020, it’s important to remember that life is full of struggles and we all have to live with a certain amount of pain. If we let it, our negative thoughts can take over and take us out of the game before we even start.  But, with a little self-awareness, we c

Oct 22, 2020 • 49:45

Ken Coleman on Mistyping and the Enneagram [S04-018]

Ken Coleman on Mistyping and the Enneagram [S04-018]

When trying to figure out your Enneagram type it’s important to know all nine types. If you think you know your type and just read up on that type, you may actually do confirmation bias and just automatically assume, “That sounds like me.”  But when you know all 9 types, you can really dig into the underlying motivation of each type to see which one resonates strongest for you. So, when Ken Coleman joined me a few months ago to discuss finding your dream job and living as an Enneagram Eight, I k

Oct 15, 2020 • 1:00:50

Part 2: Andy Stanley on Decision-Making and the Enneagram [S04-016]

Part 2: Andy Stanley on Decision-Making and the Enneagram [S04-016]

There’s no question that we’re living in a time where a lot of unprecedented decisions are being made all around us. In our current climate, it couldn’t be more evident that we all approach decision-making in different ways — even our responses to decisions other people make vary. Last week, host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets, Andy Stanley and I talked about how your type makes decisions. This week we con

Oct 8, 2020 • 48:18

Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram, Part 1  [S04-015]

Andy Stanley on Decision-Making with the Enneagram, Part 1 [S04-015]

How do you make decisions?  Does your initial response come from the head, heart, or gut?  Our natural tendency is to think that everyone makes decisions the same way that we do.  But the reality is that each Enneagram type takes information in through a different lens which impacts the decisions we make on a daily basis.   This week we’ve got a special treat for you. Host of The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast and founder of North Point Ministries, and author of Better Decisions, Fewer Regrets

Oct 1, 2020 • 46:15

Bari Tessler: Why Every Type Needs a Financial Therapist (Enneagram 4) [S04-014]

Bari Tessler: Why Every Type Needs a Financial Therapist (Enneagram 4) [S04-014]

What is your relationship with money?  Do you have a healthy one? Do you have a conscious one? Most of us don’t receive a financial education or an emotional literacy education as we are growing up.  But, given how much we think about money, understanding what it is for, and why it is uniquely important to you can help foster a better, more intentional relationship with money. Bari Tessler, Financial Therapist, podcast host, and author of The Art of Money joins me for a discussion on money heali

Sep 24, 2020 • 1:04:31

What the Enneagram Says About Your Money Style w/ Rachel Cruze (Enneagram 3) [S04-013]

What the Enneagram Says About Your Money Style w/ Rachel Cruze (Enneagram 3) [S04-013]

We all view the world through a different lens and the motivations that drive the decisions we make also vary.  The Enneagram is a valuable tool for helping us understand those motivations so we can become more patient parents, communicate better with our spouses, and extend compassion to our coworkers. Our underlying motivations even play a large role in how we behave when it comes to money. When you understand the why behind how you handle money the way that you do, you can begin to make bette

Sep 17, 2020 • 1:01:14

Power Under Control with Dave Ramsey (Enneagram 8)

Power Under Control with Dave Ramsey (Enneagram 8)

Healthy Eights are great friends, exceptional leaders, and champions of those who cannot fight on their own behalf. These Eights are intelligent, self-confident, driven, and use their power in the right measure at the appropriate times. They are highly intuitive and read the world from their gut.  And, today’s guest is no exception. Listen as Dave Ramsey joins me to talk about the Enneagram and how it has changed the way he moves through the world.  You don’t want to miss his insights as they pe

Sep 10, 2020 • 0:56

Jamie Ivey on Living in the Present Moment (Enneagram 6)

Jamie Ivey on Living in the Present Moment (Enneagram 6)

The ever-present passion (fear) that drives the Enneagram Six’s way of acting, thinking, and feeling, is actually experienced as anxiety. Fear is what arises when you’re in the presence of a clear and immediate source of danger.  Anxiety, in contrast, is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehension that arises in response to an unknown or potential threat. For Sixes, anxiety plays a role in all aspects of their life.  They are constantly planning “what-if” scenarios, have thought through the con

Sep 3, 2020 • 58:04

REPLAY: So Six-y It Hurts

REPLAY: So Six-y It Hurts

The more I know about life and people, the more I love Enneagram Sixes. Called Loyalists, Sixes are the most faithful and dependable people on the Enneagram. They keep a watchful eye over us. They safeguard our values. In my opinion, they're the glue that holds our world together. And, by the time this episode is over, you’re going to understand why Enneagram Sixes have a reputation for being some of the funniest people on the planet. Today, Jill Phillips, Leslie Jordan, Francie Likis, and Katie

Aug 27, 2020 • 1:13:32

REPLAY: Author Jo Saxton Lives Out Loud

REPLAY: Author Jo Saxton Lives Out Loud

Another one of my favorite episodes is my interview from Season 1 with Jo Saxton.  She’s an author, speaker, podcast host, and leadership coach who has dedicated her career to growing leadership teams around the world and empowering women to find their purpose in their personal and professional lives.  She’s also a strong voice for Enneagram Eights. Healthy Eights are great friends, exceptional leaders and champions of those who cannot fight on their own behalf. They have the intelligence, coura

Aug 20, 2020 • 1:01:56

REPLAY: Richard Rohr on Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram [S04-007]

REPLAY: Richard Rohr on Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram [S04-007]

As we continue to celebrate reaching over 11 Million downloads, I’d like to revisit my interview with Fr. Richard Rohr.  I first encountered the Enneagram when I was a graduate student at a conservative seminary. While on a weekend retreat I came across a copy of Fr. Richard Rohr’s book, Discovering The Enneagram: An Ancient Tool for a New Spiritual Journey. In that book Richard describes the traits and the underlying compulsions of each of the nine basic Enneagram types. Based on my life experi

Aug 13, 2020 • 1:06:48

REPLAY: There's Power in Peace w/Lysa Terkeurst (Enneagram 9) [S04-006]

REPLAY: There's Power in Peace w/Lysa Terkeurst (Enneagram 9) [S04-006]

We want to thank all of our listeners for tuning in and sharing our episodes -- helping us reach our biggest milestone yet -- 11 million downloads! As we celebrate this month, we'll be revisiting a few of Ian's favorite episodes that show just how powerful the Enneagram is as a tool for personal transformation. In today's replay, we take a look at the adaptable, caring, and "go with the flow" nature of Enneagram Nines.  To keep the peace, Nines can over-accommodate in an unconscious effort to av

Aug 6, 2020 • 36:19

Jenni Catron and Identity Work as an Enneagram 3 [S04-005]

Jenni Catron and Identity Work as an Enneagram 3 [S04-005]

Driven by the desire to appear successful and distinguish themselves through their achievements, image-focused Enneagram Threes often appear confident, ambitious, and goal-oriented. At their best, they are self-accepting, authentic role models who inspire others. Today, author and leadership coach, Jenni Catron explains the pivotal role the Enneagram has had played for her personally and professionally.  She discusses the importance of identity work for Enneagram Threes, recognizing when the sha

Jul 30, 2020 • 57:27

Blake Mycoskie on the Process of Renewal as an Enneagram 7 [S04-004]

Blake Mycoskie on the Process of Renewal as an Enneagram 7 [S04-004]

Known for their playful, high-spirited, and spontaneous personalities, Enneagram Sevens infuse optimism and adventure in their daily interactions.  But their fear of boredom can lead to impulsive decision making and difficulty committing to plans in advance. So, what happens when an Enneagram Seven focuses on doing their work and allows the knowledge to penetrate and break the patterns that typically drive an Enthusiast?  Our guest, founder of TOMS and Madefor, Blake Mycoskie shares how the adop

Jul 23, 2020 • 59:47

Ken Coleman on Using Proximity and the Enneagram to Find Your Dream Job [S04-003]

Ken Coleman on Using Proximity and the Enneagram to Find Your Dream Job [S04-003]

Enneagram Eights are real forces of nature.  They are incredibly hardworking with a great deal of energy, and their self-confidence and take-charge personality make it easy for them to make difficult decisions.  So, when it comes to finding the job you love, Enneagram Eight, Ken Coleman couldn’t be a better guide.  Today on Typology, Ken not only outlines the questions any Enneagram type needs to answer in order to find their dream job, but he also covers what he likes about being an Enneagram E

Jul 16, 2020 • 54:48

Josh Radnor's Shift from the Outside In [S04-002]

Josh Radnor's Shift from the Outside In [S04-002]

As a map of our interior world, the Enneagram is meant to bring about or enable spiritual transformation. But what does it look like when we are far enough down our path to see a difference? Our guest, actor/musician and Enneagram three Josh Radnor illustrates that vision today. Josh talks to Ian about growing in his compassion for himself and others, transforming from an unevolved three to an evolved three, recognizing the tension that plays out as a three with a four wing, and what spiritualit

Jul 9, 2020 • 55:12

How the Enneagram Impacts Tori Kelly and André Murillo

How the Enneagram Impacts Tori Kelly and André Murillo

We're kicking off season 4 with a great episode! Today, Enneagram Four pop star Tori Kelly and former professional basketball player André Murillo join me to talk about how the Enneagram has impacted their relationship.  Right out of the gate the conversation goes deep into how the Enneagram fosters a better understanding of the needs of their friends and family, encourages them to respect each other’s strengths, and helps them navigate the different ways they each approach emotions. Tori Kelly

Jul 2, 2020 • 1:09:41

Kendra Adachi's Lazy Genius Way to Embrace What Matters as an Enneagram One

Kendra Adachi's Lazy Genius Way to Embrace What Matters as an Enneagram One

When I first heard an Improver wrote a book titled, The Lazy Genius Way, I had to get her on the show.  How on earth does an Enneagram One, who typically can’t stop working to perfect the world and relax, come to embrace laziness? In today’s episode, author Kendra Adachi explains why it’s so important to be a genius about the things that matter, but to be lazy about things that don’t.  She also talks about the impact the Enneagram has had on growing in self-awareness, helping her recognize and f

Jun 25, 2020 • 54:22

Michael Hyatt on Vision-Driven Leadership

Michael Hyatt on Vision-Driven Leadership

What makes a great leader? We typically think of a strong leader as someone who knows where they are going and how to motivate others to get there.  But how do you effectively lead your team if you don’t have a clear vision of your future? On this edition of Typology, Michael Hyatt explains what a Vision Driven Leader is and why a strategic vision is the most essential ingredient in leadership, not just in business but in all aspects of our lives. Known for his New York Times and Wall Street Jou

Jun 18, 2020 • 50:27

Elizabeth Evans Flips the Script as an Enneagram 5 [S03-046]

Elizabeth Evans Flips the Script as an Enneagram 5 [S03-046]

This week I’m thrilled to welcome podcast goddess and Enneagram Five, Elizabeth Evans. Having previously wrestled with a scarcity mindset that kept her wrapped up in her mind, she shares her powerful story of how she flipped the script of her fear and stepped into a mindset that led her to become a successful, female business owner.  An expert in storytelling, Elizabeth shares how she integrates the Enneagram into her business, opens up about how she manages her “go-to” fears, and explains how s

Jun 11, 2020 • 45:45

How to Apply the Enneagram in Your Business and Marriage with Tim and Beckie Farrant

How to Apply the Enneagram in Your Business and Marriage with Tim and Beckie Farrant

How many teams do you belong to?  Personally, I am part of numerous teams. Be it my marriage, my friendships, my church, my AA group, or my business, I use the Enneagram with each of my teams to reduce conflict, improve communication, and promote cooperation. It’s an invaluable tool for building stronger teams. In this episode, guests Tim and Beckie Farrant join me to talk about how they apply the Enneagram in business, in leadership, and in marriage. Beckie is a wildly successful DIY blogger an

Jun 4, 2020 • 59:15

Dr. Curt Thompson on the Enneagram and Shame

Dr. Curt Thompson on the Enneagram and Shame

The Enneagram provides nine consistent, fairly predictable ways for us to understand and tell our narrative of how we operate in the world and make sense of our lives. It’s a tool that helps us enter into a conversation with ourselves about the recurring themes and patterns of behaviors that are self-defeating or hurtful to others. One of the themes that operates as a thread in each of our lives is shame. Next to love, I believe shame is the most powerful force in the universe, but in the wrong

May 28, 2020 • 1:21:25

Chuck Degroat on the Nine Faces of Narcissism [S03-043]

Chuck Degroat on the Nine Faces of Narcissism [S03-043]

Today, psychologist, author, and spiritual director Chuck Degroat joins me for a killer episode about the nine faces of narcissism.  And we’re not talking about people with full-blown narcissistic personality disorder per se. We’re talking about narcissism on a continuum and what it looks like when each Enneagram type is manifesting a narcissistic style or type. Each of us is somewhere on that narcissistic spectrum.  In this episode you’ll learn: What narcissism actually is How narcissism shows

May 21, 2020 • 1:11:38

Fulfillment NOT Achievement with Molly Fletcher (Enneagram 3) [S03-042]

Fulfillment NOT Achievement with Molly Fletcher (Enneagram 3) [S03-042]

Earlier this season, Molly Fletcher and I talked about her struggle to relax and turn it off. At the end of our interview, I asked her to come back after she had done some work and really dug into the Enneagram. Now, seven months later, she joins us to share how time and reflection have truly helped her slow down and shift her focus to chasing fulfillment rather than achievement. What does that look like for an Enneagram Three? Tune in to find out. Molly Fletcher is a popular keynote speaker who

May 14, 2020 • 1:00:57

Enneagram and Parenting Insights from the Olricks

Enneagram and Parenting Insights from the Olricks

What better way to wrap up our series on Enneagram and Parenting, than with a rich conversation with parenting experts, Amy and Jeffrey Olrick, Ph.D. Dr. Olrick is a clinical psychologist who has worked with children and families for over 20 years. Amy is an author and human rights advocate whose work and writing has been featured in the Guardian and USA Today. Together, they run GrowingConnected.com, offering scientifically grounded and faith-informed resources for parents. Today we discuss:

May 7, 2020 • 59:15

Dave Hollis on Growth and Fulfillment with the Enneagram [S03-040]

Dave Hollis on Growth and Fulfillment with the Enneagram [S03-040]

Author of Get Out of Your Own Way: A Skeptic’s Guide to Growth and Fulfillment, Dave Hollis joins me to talk honestly about the lies human beings tell themselves and how those lies feather with the Enneagram.  Together, we review the most common lies people tell themselves, offer tips for neutralizing those lies, and discuss the importance of rewriting our stories to become the best, truest version of our selves. Dave Hollis is one half of the dynamic, powerhouse duo that is Rachel and Dave Hol

Apr 30, 2020 • 1:16:16

Dr. Russell Moore on the Enneagram and Morality [S03-039]

Dr. Russell Moore on the Enneagram and Morality [S03-039]

This week Dr. Russell Moore joins Ian Cron for a rich discussion on morality and authenticity. Dr. Moore is president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, the moral and public policy agency of the nations’ largest Protestant denomination.  He is an ethicist, theologian, award-winning writer, and head of the moral and public policy agency of the SBC.  The Wall Street Journal has called Moore “vigorous, cheerful and fiercely articulate.” He’s also the au

Apr 23, 2020 • 56:05

Enneagram as a Tool for Families with Justice Skinner (Enneagram 6) [S03-038]

Enneagram as a Tool for Families with Justice Skinner (Enneagram 6) [S03-038]

The Enneagram is a great tool for integration for yourself, but I’d like to encourage you to think of it as a tool that can really impact family dynamics, including strengthening your relationships with your children. When families integrate the Enneagram into their daily lives, not only do parents begin to better understand and distinguish the needs of their children, but children can also learn to recognize their own needs as well as the needs of their siblings.  Having this level of understan

Apr 17, 2020 • 43:01

Author Brian McLaren on Internal Friendship (Enneagram 4)

Author Brian McLaren on Internal Friendship (Enneagram 4)

Today on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome author Brian McLaren. Brian is an author, speaker, activist and theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good.           Brian is a faculty member of The Living School, which is part of the Center for Action and Contemplation, and he co-leads the Common Good Messaging Team, which is part of Vote Common Good.

Apr 9, 2020 • 52:21

ABC News' Paula Faris and the Typing Interview Process [S03-036]

ABC News' Paula Faris and the Typing Interview Process [S03-036]

The Enneagram is complicated and nuanced, but human beings are infinitely more complex than the Enneagram. And today’s episode proves just that. Our guest, ABC News correspondent, Paula Faris, exudes a lot of energy from a few different Enneagram types.  Listen as Ian walks Paula through the Typing Interview Process to help her tease out the types she most strongly resonates with, then offers some “homework” for really unearthing her type on her own. Paula Faris is a senior national corresponden

Apr 2, 2020 • 1:04:51

Part 2: Pastor Louie Giglio's Insights for an Enneagram 3 [S03-035]

Part 2: Pastor Louie Giglio's Insights for an Enneagram 3 [S03-035]

This week we continue our conversation with author, speaker, and pastor Louie Giglio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus.  He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback, and several o

Mar 26, 2020 • 30:41

Pastor Louie Giglio: New Insights for an Enneagram 3 [S03-034]

Pastor Louie Giglio: New Insights for an Enneagram 3 [S03-034]

I'm thrilled to welcome Pastor Louie Giglio to the Typology Studio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus.  He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is also the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback, and several others. Louie

Mar 19, 2020 • 34:42

Anne Bogel: How an Enneagram 9 Gets Decisive

Anne Bogel: How an Enneagram 9 Gets Decisive

What happens when an Enneagram 9 stops overthinking and starts making decisions? Enneagram Nines have an incredible ability to see all sides of any given circumstance, but that commitment to find the best option consumes an enormous amount of mental energy and can leave them exhausted and stuck. However, when Nines learn to stop overthinking they can start spending more time on things that matter and that bring more peace, love and joy into their lives. Today’s guest, author Anne Bogel, gets to

Mar 12, 2020 • 39:36

Mailbag Thursday: An Enneagram Q&A with Ian Cron

Mailbag Thursday: An Enneagram Q&A with Ian Cron

We received such a great response from all of you after our first “Mailbag Thursday,” that we’re doing it again. Today, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions from the bag for Ian to answer. Topics covered include: Whether trauma in adulthood can lead to type repression What the countertype 4 really looks like Resources on how different types process grief Tune in to hear what Ian has to say about these topics plus a few more. And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air,

Mar 5, 2020 • 38:34

Hip Hop Artist PROPAGANDA reflects on the Enneagram 3 [S03-031]

Hip Hop Artist PROPAGANDA reflects on the Enneagram 3 [S03-031]

I’m thrilled to welcome today’s Typology guest, PROPAGANDA. Prop is a Christian Hip Hop and spoken word artist/poet, political activist, husband, father, academic, emcee, and an Enneagram Three. He and his wife, University Professor Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, also host a podcast together called The Red Couch Podcast where they cover everything from pop culture to important social issues – all with the unique perspective, insight and wit only they can bring. In this episode, we have a candid conver

Feb 27, 2020 • 49:32

Jill Phillips on the Resilience of an Enneagram 6 [S03-030]

Jill Phillips on the Resilience of an Enneagram 6 [S03-030]

This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Jill Phillips.  Jill is a singer, songwriter and therapist based in Nashville who has been immersed in the Enneagram for some time now. She has a lot of wisdom to share, especially as it relates to the nuances of being a Six. Today we’ll touch on: Enneagram stances and how they impact the lens through which each type views the world Ways the Enneagram integrates with other things, such as therapy or recovery The Enneagram Six’s defense me

Feb 20, 2020 • 50:23

Part 2: Author Jennie Allen on Toxic Thoughts and the Enneagram (Enneagram 7) [S03-029]

Part 2: Author Jennie Allen on Toxic Thoughts and the Enneagram (Enneagram 7) [S03-029]

We all walk around thinking toxic thoughts but just because we think something doesn’t make it true.  Our thoughts are charged with emotions and energy, but they are not our enemies. If you treat them as though there is some kind of demonic force inside your head, you’re actually investing them with power they do not have.  They are not in charge of us. We are in charge of our thoughts and we have the ability to change our own narrative. In Part Two of my interview with Jennie Allen, we examine

Feb 13, 2020 • 31:13

Part 1: Author Jennie Allen on Toxic Thoughts and the Enneagram (Enneagram 7) [S03-028]

Part 1: Author Jennie Allen on Toxic Thoughts and the Enneagram (Enneagram 7) [S03-028]

This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome author, Jennie Allen. Jennie is the founder and visionary behind IF:Gathering, an organization that equips women with gospel-centered resources, events, and community so they may learn more about who God is and disciple others. A sought-after speaker, Allen has taught at Women of Faith, Catalyst, and Q conferences. She is the author of several books, including Restless, Anything, and Nothing to Prove, and her latest book, Get Out of Your Head: Stoppi

Feb 6, 2020 • 30:31

Part 2: Former Governor Bill Haslam on how to live and lead as an Enneagram 3 (S03-027)

Part 2: Former Governor Bill Haslam on how to live and lead as an Enneagram 3 (S03-027)

Each Enneagram Type is beautiful and in its healthy expression is truly fantastic.  When Threes are healthy, they no longer find it important to credentialize their achievements, they become more community-minded and interested in helping others succeed. In Part Two of my conversation with former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam, we continue our discussion on the dangers Enneagram Threes face when they over-identify with the role they play in their job and allow perception to matter more than

Jan 30, 2020 • 24:21

Former Governor Bill Haslam: How to Live and Lead as an Enneagram 3 (S03-026)

Former Governor Bill Haslam: How to Live and Lead as an Enneagram 3 (S03-026)

This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend and former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam.  Bill began his career in business joining his father, Jim Haslam, who was the founder of the petroleum company Pilot Corporation.  He was the CEO of the E-commerce and Catalog Division for Saks Fifth Avenue from 1999 to 2001, Mayor of Knoxville, TN from 2003-2010, and is co-owner of the Tennessee Smokies Minor League Baseball Team. He also happens to be an Enneagram Three. In part one of this

Jan 23, 2020 • 27:18

Author Lisa-Jo Baker Sets Boundaries as an Enneagram Two

Author Lisa-Jo Baker Sets Boundaries as an Enneagram Two

This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome Lisa-Jo Baker,  a former attorney and longtime Community Manager at (in)courage, podcast host, best-selling author of The Middle Matters, Never Unfriended and Surprised by Motherhood. She’s also an Enneagram Two. At their best, Enneagram Twos truly radiate the unconditional, altruistic love of God. They just sort of signal love out into the world in a way that no other type can. But they also have a hard time being able to stop meeting the needs of o

Jan 16, 2020 • 1:03:58

Mailbag Thursday: An Enneagram Q&A [S03-024]

Mailbag Thursday: An Enneagram Q&A [S03-024]

We love providing you with new content and great guests each week.  But, as you might imagine, the interviews often spark a lot of questions from our listeners.  In fact, we receive tons of questions every single day. So, today we’re diving into 2020 with something we’ve been talking about for quite a while...we'll be reading and answering some of your questions on the air.  We’re super excited to finally roll out our first “Mailbag Thursday,” and we hope you are too.  Keep those questions rolli

Jan 9, 2020 • 30:30

Betsy Miller on Accepting Fear and Anxiety (Enneagram 6) [S03-023]

Betsy Miller on Accepting Fear and Anxiety (Enneagram 6) [S03-023]

Happy New Year! This week on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome my friend, Betsy Miller. Betsy is the Director of Finance for Storybrand and also serves as the chairman of the Board of Directors for RESCUE: Freedom International, an organization that is a leading force in the rescue and restoration of survivors of human trafficking. Betsy and I take a look into the mind of an Enneagram Six, or The Loyalist.  Enneagram Sixes tend to doubt the commitment of others, have difficulty making decisions

Jan 2, 2020 • 51:11

Life, Family and the Enneagram with the Crons (REPLAY) [S03-022]

Life, Family and the Enneagram with the Crons (REPLAY) [S03-022]

The Enneagram allows us to build and sustain healthy relationships by appreciating and understanding our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of our friends and family.  In today’s episode, the Cron family gathers over the holidays to discuss how the Enneagram has helped them grow closer and better understand each other. Listen as they share how their family finds balance and appreciation among each other.

Dec 26, 2019 • 1:12:52

Holiday Gift Ideas for each Enneagram Type (REPLAY) [S03-021]

Holiday Gift Ideas for each Enneagram Type (REPLAY) [S03-021]

This week we’re taking a break to enjoy the holidays with our friends and families.  So, we're replaying last year’s episode where we give suggestions for the perfect Christmas gift for each Enneagram type.  We wish you a fabulous couple of weeks and we’ll kick off 2020 with some great new interviews.  Happy Holidays!

Dec 19, 2019 • 39:56

Part 2: Amanda Cook on the Sacred Rhythm of an Enneagram Five [S03-020]

Part 2: Amanda Cook on the Sacred Rhythm of an Enneagram Five [S03-020]

This week I continue my insightful conversation with singer-songwriter, Amanda Cook. Amanda is a worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave. In this episode, Amanda and I explain: the gift and grip of grief the Fives’ defense mechanism of isolation the imp

Dec 12, 2019 • 34:06

Amanda Cook on the Sacred Rhythm of an Enneagram 5 [S03-019]

Amanda Cook on the Sacred Rhythm of an Enneagram 5 [S03-019]

This week on Typology, I welcome a very special Enneagram Five who has done her work and beautifully wraps her words around her experience as a Five.  Our guest, Amanda Lindsey Cook is a singer-songwriter, worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave. In this

Dec 5, 2019 • 32:54

Part 2: John Mark Comer on Focusing his Attention (Enneagram 1) [S03-018]

Part 2: John Mark Comer on Focusing his Attention (Enneagram 1) [S03-018]

In Part two of my conversation with John Mark Comer—author, speaker, pastor, and Enneagram One—we continue our discussion about the Enneagram and why it’s so important to eliminate hurry from our lives. When you think about it, when you feel listened to and attended to, you feel loved by a person. But when we rush from one thing to another, we are unable to focus our attention on those we love most and our relationships are negatively impacted. If instead, we learn to live in a different space t

Nov 27, 2019 • 37:18

Part 1: John Mark Comer on Focusing his Attention (Enneagram One) [S03-017)

Part 1: John Mark Comer on Focusing his Attention (Enneagram One) [S03-017)

What do you pay attention to? When each of us walks into a room, the focus of our attention is different.  An Enneagram Two might look for who they can connect with, an Enneagram Four might focus on what’s missing in the room, and an Enneagram One might notice what needs to be fixed.  But who is that Two not connecting with?  What is in the room that the Four is not appreciating?  And what is right in the room that the One doesn’t need to fix? Today on Typology, I begin my conversation with John

Nov 21, 2019 • 32:27

Al Andrews on Facing Your Sorrows with the Enneagram (Enneagram 2) [S03-016]

Al Andrews on Facing Your Sorrows with the Enneagram (Enneagram 2) [S03-016]

This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Al Andrews. Al is not only a great counselor, author, and speaker, but he is also the director of Porter’s Call, a non-profit offering counsel, support and encouragement to recording artists and their families. Al gives voice to what it’s like to be a healthy two and how important it is for each of us to face our sorrows in order to heal from our brokenness. We also touch on: What makes a truly great helper The superpower of a Two Th

Nov 14, 2019 • 48:12

Andrew Peterson and the true gifts of an Enneagram 4 (S03-015)

Andrew Peterson and the true gifts of an Enneagram 4 (S03-015)

This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my good friend, Andrew Peterson—award-winning singer-songwriter and author. His newest book, Adorning the Dark, just released on October 15, and his 20th Anniversary Behold the Lamb of God Tour is going on now through the end of December. As two Enneagram Fours, Andrew and I get personal about the strengths and weaknesses of our type and how it has impacted our lives over the years. In this episode, you’ll hear about the Enneagram Four’s: True gifts

Nov 7, 2019 • 51:55

The Enneagram Made Simple with Don Miller (Enneagram 3) [S03-014]

The Enneagram Made Simple with Don Miller (Enneagram 3) [S03-014]

This week on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome my good friend, Donald Miller—best-selling author of Building a StoryBrand, creator of the brand new Business Made Simple University, and Enneagram Type 3. Don and I have talked about the Enneagram before—mostly from a business perspective. But in this episode, I invited him to get personal and vulnerable, and he graciously obliged. Learn how self-awareness helped Don move from: Insecure to confident Feeling like an outsider to knowing he’s acce

Oct 31, 2019 • 49:38

Part 2, Rev. Becca Stevens on Resisting the Enneagram

Part 2, Rev. Becca Stevens on Resisting the Enneagram

This week Ian welcomes back Becca Stevens--author, priest, and founder/president of Thistle Farms.  Last week, they began to explore Becca’s resistance to the Enneagram. But today, Ian walks Becca through the process of discovering her Enneagram type. This episode is full of great insights for anyone looking to figure out their type. So, regardless of where you are in the process, what type you are, what type your friends are or your spouse is, you're going to find a lot of really helpful inform

Oct 17, 2019 • 56:46

Mark Batterson on the Blessings of the Enneagram (Enneagram 3) [S03-013]

Mark Batterson on the Blessings of the Enneagram (Enneagram 3) [S03-013]

This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Mark Batterson—author of 17 books including The New York Times bestseller The Circle Maker, founder and lead pastor of National Community Church, and an Enneagram 3. In this episode, I invite Mark to get personal about his ministry and his marriage. Learn what the Enneagram taught Mark about: "Performing" grace The cure for the fear of failure How we identify and connect with others when we revealing our own challenges and struggles At t

Oct 17, 2019 • 35:11

Part 1, Reverend Becca Stevens on Resisting the Enneagram [S03-011]

Part 1, Reverend Becca Stevens on Resisting the Enneagram [S03-011]

Not everyone will rush toward the Enneagram with enthusiasm.  In fact, afraid of being labeled, some people can be really resistant to exploring the Enneagram at all. And that's the case with today's guest.   In part one of this two-part series, Ian invites one of his favorite people, Reverend Becca Stevens, into the studio to talk about how the experience of trauma impacts personality, to discuss her resistance to the Enneagram, and to begin to explore which Enneagram type she resonates with. A

Oct 10, 2019 • 48:33

Molly Fletcher on the Enneagram as a Game-Changer (Enneagram 3) {s03-010]

Molly Fletcher on the Enneagram as a Game-Changer (Enneagram 3) {s03-010]

We live in a world where productivity is a huge emphasis on the lives of lots of people. But as productivity guru, Mike Hyatt advocates, the point of productivity isn't to get more done, it's actually to get more done efficiently so you have more margin to do the things that are more life-giving and make you a more whole person. As children, Enneagram Threes pick up the message that they are only loved for what they do and how well they do it. In turn, Threes often tend to be competitive, succes

Oct 3, 2019 • 50:17

Jon and Tristen Collins on the Enneagram and Why Emotions Matter (Enneagram 5 and 2) [S03-009]

Jon and Tristen Collins on the Enneagram and Why Emotions Matter (Enneagram 5 and 2) [S03-009]

Each Enneagram type approaches feelings from a different angle.  Some types can be really in touch with their feelings, while others seem out of touch with their feelings. On today’s episode, our guests Jon and Tristen Collins join Ian to talk about “Why Emotions Matter.” As an Enneagram 5 and an Enneagram 2, you can imagine this married couple couldn’t be more opposite when it comes to their emotions. Tune in as Jon and Tristen explain how the Enneagram has helped them integrate the Enneagram F

Sep 26, 2019 • 45:19

Enneagram and Coffee with Sarajane Case (Enneagram 7) [S03-008]

Enneagram and Coffee with Sarajane Case (Enneagram 7) [S03-008]

If you had to boil it down, Enneagram Sevens have an underlying fear that when it comes to pain and suffering, they will be unsupported. But in order to satisfy their unmet longing for completeness, for solidness, for wholeness, Sevens need to be able to stick with their sadness and discomfort long enough to work through it with others to foster the types of relationships that stand the test of time. On today’s episode, Founder of Enneagram and Coffee, Sarajane Case, opens up about how the Enn

Sep 19, 2019 • 44:57

Allison Fallon on Articulating Your Inner Landscape with the Enneagram (Enneagram 4) [S03-007]

Allison Fallon on Articulating Your Inner Landscape with the Enneagram (Enneagram 4) [S03-007]

Enneagram Fours have a unique awareness of their feelings and are highly attuned to their environment. Their gift of connecting deeply with others allows them to see the beauty in all things and to give language to experiences for which others can’t seem to find the words.  Today’s guest, author Allison Fallon shares how merging the Enneagram with writing has not only helped her heal but has also helped so many others articulate their own internal landscape.  Allison Fallon is a speaker, coach a

Sep 12, 2019 • 41:24

Knox and Jamie on Pop Culture and the Personality (Enneagram 5 and 7)

Knox and Jamie on Pop Culture and the Personality (Enneagram 5 and 7)

Our guests today are hilarious, smart and up on the Enneagram.  Cohosts of the popular Popcast, Knox McCoy and Jamie Golden join Ian in a conversation about self-awareness, the dynamics of working together as an Enneagram 5 and 7, and how pop culture and personality play into each other. Knox McCoy loves laughing and making people laugh. Really anything that’s laughter-adjacent, he’s into. He’s also super into the word “swashbuckling” and his dream is to one day use it in a bio. Knox began podca

Sep 5, 2019 • 51:18

Part 2, Mike Pacchione on Public Speaking and the Enneagram [S03-005]

Part 2, Mike Pacchione on Public Speaking and the Enneagram [S03-005]

Last week, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walked through the speaking, or the communication styles, of the first three Enneagram types and how each type can leverage their gift and what to watch out for. Tune in today for part 2, as Mike and Ian cover how to tap into the strengths and avoid the pitfalls for types four through nine. And, don’t forget to download Mike’s tips for public speaking by Enneagram type.  Just click below for your PDF of the key points for each of the nine types. DOWNLOAD

Aug 29, 2019 • 28:29

Mike Pacchione on Public Speaking and the Enneagram (Enneagram 9)

Mike Pacchione on Public Speaking and the Enneagram (Enneagram 9)

Have you ever thought about what makes a great speech or presentation? Whether you’re speaking to thousands this weekend, you're speaking to the Rotary Club, or you just want to be a better communicator in the workplace, your Enneagram type has a specific communication style that plays a part in your effectiveness or lack of effectiveness.  So how do you tap into those strengths and avoid the pitfalls? Our guest today, speaking coach Mike Pacchione walks us through the speaking, or the communica

Aug 22, 2019 • 31:36

Best of Season 2: Challenging Your Narrative with Ryan Stevenson [S03-003]

Best of Season 2: Challenging Your Narrative with Ryan Stevenson [S03-003]

Though we can’t manufacture great conversations here on Typology, every now and then we do get to experience something deeply vulnerable and truly magical as we did in this episode with singer/songwriter, Ryan Stevenson.  On this episode, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. And if they’re not, the Enneagram can help provide you with some clarity about the story you’re living in right now. So, tune

Aug 15, 2019 • 53:24

Best of Season 2: Instincts and Subtypes with Aaron Niequist [S03-002]

Best of Season 2: Instincts and Subtypes with Aaron Niequist [S03-002]

With so many of our listeners asking about subtypes on a daily basis, we thought we'd celebrate the end of Season 2 with this replay of Aaron Niequist and Ian discussing instincts and subtypes and using them as another way to help hone in on your Enneagram type.  Aaron Niequist has served as a leader at some of the most influential churches in the country. In 2014, he launched a neo-liturgical, ecumenical, practice-based service at Willow Creek in Chicago. He also created a series of liturgical

Aug 8, 2019 • 56:34

Dr. Richard Lindroth, Developing Your Emotional Side as an Enneagram Five

Dr. Richard Lindroth, Developing Your Emotional Side as an Enneagram Five

Others often perceive the interior world of the Enneagram Five, or The Observer, as mysterious.  Known to use the pursuit of knowledge as a defense against a world that seems unpredictable, The Observer can appear to not have or be in touch with their emotions. This is simply not the case.  In fact, The Observer is one of the most misunderstood Enneagram type in terms of emotions and relationships.  Enneagram Fives can actually have very intense emotions, but they just may not express them.  Lis

Aug 1, 2019 • 39:27

Part 2 of Johnnyswim: The Enneagram and Abner (Type 7) and Manager Jay King (Type 4) [S02-052]

Part 2 of Johnnyswim: The Enneagram and Abner (Type 7) and Manager Jay King (Type 4) [S02-052]

In part two of our interview with JOHNNYSWIM, Abner and Amanda’s manager Jay King joins the conversation and shares how the Enneagram has impacted their personal and working relationship.   ABOUT JOHNNYSWIM As a unit, they face life’s ups, downs, highs, lows, trials, tribulations, tragedies, triumphs, and everything in between. They change, learn, and grow as one. However, Los Angeles band JOHNNYSWIM doesn’t just seem like a family; it is a family. At the core, husband-and-wife—Abner Ramirez and

Jul 25, 2019 • 51:37

Part 1 of Johnnyswim: The Enneagram and Abner (Type 7) and Amanda (Type 9)

Part 1 of Johnnyswim: The Enneagram and Abner (Type 7) and Amanda (Type 9)

What does it sound like when an Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) feels safe enough to reveal his true vulnerability?  Tune in as Johnnyswim’s Abner and Amanda explore their deeper side and talk with Ian about how the Enneagram has played a role in their relationship and their band.  This interview was so great we made it a two-part series, so don’t miss next week, when their manager Jay King jumps into the conversation as well.  They'll open up about how the Enneagram has helped them in their person

Jul 18, 2019 • 1:02:20

Carey Nieuwhof on the Enneagram and Self-Leadership, part 2 (Enneagram 8) [S-2-050]

Carey Nieuwhof on the Enneagram and Self-Leadership, part 2 (Enneagram 8) [S-2-050]

Last week we began our conversation on self-leadership with former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof.  In part two, Carey and Ian continue their discussion with tips on how leaders can manage anxiety and avoid burnout. Carey Nieuwhof is a former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church. He’s the author of several best-selling books, including his latest, Didn’t See It Coming, and speaks to leaders around the world about leadership, change and personal growth. The

Jul 11, 2019 • 23:37

Seven Core Challenges of Leadership, feat. Carey Nieuwhof (Enneagram 8) [S02-049]

Seven Core Challenges of Leadership, feat. Carey Nieuwhof (Enneagram 8) [S02-049]

How can leaders understand themselves and the world in which they live so they can be optimal in their various roles?  One of the first steps is to strengthen self-leadership because you can’t successfully lead others unless you can first lead yourself.   In this two-part episode, former lawyer and founding pastor of Connexus Church, Carey Nieuwhof reveals the seven core challenges to leadership and how approaching these challenges through the lens of the Enneagram can help close the gap between

Jul 3, 2019 • 39:42

There's Power in Peace, feat. Lysa Terkeurst (Enneagram 9)

There's Power in Peace, feat. Lysa Terkeurst (Enneagram 9)

Enneagram Nines, or The Peacemakers, are adaptable, caring, supportive, and easygoing. Their "go with the flow" attitude acts as the manifestation of their need for internal and external peace at all times. To keep this peace, Nines often over-accommodate others in a unconscious effort to avoid conflict, and end up "falling asleep" to their own needs. But today, Lysa Terkeurst, #1 New York Times bestselling author and Enneagram Nine, explains why it's important for The Peacemaker not to confuse

Jun 27, 2019 • 42:09

Leveraging Differences to Motivate Your Team with the Enneagram, Boosterthon's feat. Chris Carneal and Stan Holcombe (Enneagram 7 and 6) [S02-047]

Leveraging Differences to Motivate Your Team with the Enneagram, Boosterthon's feat. Chris Carneal and Stan Holcombe (Enneagram 7 and 6) [S02-047]

Chris Carneal, founder and CEO of Boosterthon (Enneagram 7) plans for adventure while his CFO, Stan Holcombe (Enneagram 6) plans for dis-adventure.  So how have these two leveraged their differences to balance each other and grow their company 800% over the past eight years?  They invest in the culture of their company. Today, Chris and Stan join Ian to talk about how helping their team understand each other and creating a culture where self-awareness and self-knowledge are held up as values all

Jun 20, 2019 • 50:13

Michael Hyatt, Your Leadership Mentor and the Enneagram (Enneagram 3) [S02-046]

Michael Hyatt, Your Leadership Mentor and the Enneagram (Enneagram 3) [S02-046]

How do you measure success?  What does it look like and feel like?  Often, we measure success by how we appear to others or by the things we accomplish. But for Enneagram Three, Michael Hyatt, success is defined as freedom – the freedom to focus, the freedom to be fully present, and the freedom to be spontaneous. Sounds great, right? But, how do we get there?  The first step is to develop self-awareness and self-care as a leadership discipline.  Oftentimes leaders and entrepreneurs are so wired

Jun 13, 2019 • 37:46

Summer Vacation and the Enneagram with Ian Morgan Cron [S02-045]

Summer Vacation and the Enneagram with Ian Morgan Cron [S02-045]

Have you ever stopped to think about your travel personality? Or how the ideal vacation for your Enneagram type may be different than others?  We all look for different things when choosing our next vacation…and even the planning process can greatly vary.  With summer approaching and travel on our minds, we asked ourselves ‘what would be the best vacation for each Enneagram type?’ So, Typology producer Anthony Skinner and Ian Morgan Cron popped into the studio to share some great vacation sugges

Jun 6, 2019 • 41:44

Balancing Your Centers of Intelligence, feat. Beatrice Chestnut [S02-044]

Balancing Your Centers of Intelligence, feat. Beatrice Chestnut [S02-044]

One of the elements about the Enneagram that makes it different than other typologies is the principles behind working with Centers of Intelligence. The three centers of intelligence are the head, heart, and body. Each Enneagram type uses all three centers but approaches the world from one center more than the other two.  Where people often get in trouble is when they over-privilege or overuse one of those centers or even perhaps put down other centers, acting out of balance rather than consciou

May 30, 2019 • 33:34

Moving Toward Wholeness, part 2 feat. Drew and Ellie Holcomb (Enneagram 8 and 7) [S02-043]

Moving Toward Wholeness, part 2 feat. Drew and Ellie Holcomb (Enneagram 8 and 7) [S02-043]

Drew and Ellie Holcomb return this week for part two of our two-part series. Today, Drew shares how he has learned to let go of his need to be in charge and is learning to lead from the heart, and Ellie gives us insight into what makes her feel really alive. Drew and Ellie Holcomb are a husband and wife Americana duo from Nashville, TN.  Shortly after their marriage in 2006, the couple began touring together with Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors.  The band has supported many national touring acts

May 23, 2019 • 31:45

Moving Toward Wholeness, feat. Drew and Ellie Holcomb (Enneagram 8 and 7) [S02-042]

Moving Toward Wholeness, feat. Drew and Ellie Holcomb (Enneagram 8 and 7) [S02-042]

Enneagram Eights and Enneagram Sevens make a high-energy couple. Both types are strong-willed, independent, love adventure, and find happiness in the moment.  But Eights and Sevens manage their feelings in different ways.  Eights embrace a challenge and express anger easily which can clash with a Seven’s tendency to avoid difficult or painful feelings by reframing things into a positive light. As you’ll hear in today’s episode, Drew and Ellie Holcomb describe how the Enneagram has shifted their

May 16, 2019 • 43:43

BONUS REPLAY: Beatrice Chestnut, An Enneagram Two’s Journey Toward Finding Real Love

BONUS REPLAY: Beatrice Chestnut, An Enneagram Two’s Journey Toward Finding Real Love

In today’s episode, we share a big announcement then replay Ian’s interview with renowned Enneagram teacher, author, consultant, and Enneagram Two, Dr. Beatrice Chestnut Ph.D.  A student of the Enneagram system of personality since 1990, she is the author of Ian’s all-time favorite Enneagram book, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge. Enneagram Twos are far more complicated than they appear at first glance. Who better to describe what it’s like to be a Helper than a Black-b

May 9, 2019 • 50:08

Trusting Your Gut as an Enneagram Two, feat. J.J. Peterson (Enneagram Two)

Trusting Your Gut as an Enneagram Two, feat. J.J. Peterson (Enneagram Two)

What do you need in a relationship? When it comes to relationships, how do you interact with and love other people? It’s often in our most intimate relationships that our most true self shows up and we realize that our view of the world is not necessarily the same as others. That’s where the Enneagram comes in.  The Enneagram helps us understand ourselves better, provides a platform for understanding our partners, and teaches us how to walk more healthily in relationships. In today’s episode, J.

May 2, 2019 • 44:23

Transforming Relationships with the Enneagram, feat. Jeremy and Audrey Roloff (Enneagram 9 and 8) [S02-039]

Transforming Relationships with the Enneagram, feat. Jeremy and Audrey Roloff (Enneagram 9 and 8) [S02-039]

How does the Enneagram affect how you communicate with your spouse?  Each Enneagram type has a different communication style which impacts the power dynamic in every relationship – whether that’s a relationship with a coworker, a friend, or a spouse.  The Enneagram helps us understand where others are coming from and creates space for appreciating and negotiating our differences.    In today’s episode, former co-stars of Little People, Big World, and founders of Beating 50 Percent, Jeremy and A

Apr 25, 2019 • 49:21

Balancing Intellect with Emotion, feat. Dan Haseltine (Enneagram 5) [S02-038]

Balancing Intellect with Emotion, feat. Dan Haseltine (Enneagram 5) [S02-038]

Enneagram Fives, or the Observers, operate from a withdrawing stance and value their privacy. Their unconscious strategy consists of collecting knowledge and information to defend against what feels like an overwhelming, unpredictable, chaotic world.  They build walls around themselves and retreat into their mental realm for a lot of internal processing.  And though they may appear detached there is actually a lot of vulnerability beneath the surface. The challenge for a Five is to not over-rely

Apr 18, 2019 • 59:20

Facing Anxiety and Depression with the Enneagram, feat. Scott Sauls (Enneagram 3)

Facing Anxiety and Depression with the Enneagram, feat. Scott Sauls (Enneagram 3)

Often when we approach the Enneagram we tend to think that everybody can fit neatly into one category. But the Enneagram is more like a color wheel than it is a set of boxes around a circle. There are shades as you go around the spectrum.  Each of us is different than the people around us.  So, the more we come to know ourselves, to accept our own uniqueness and brokenness, the more we can begin to understand others.  In fact, each Enneagram type can actually help balance each other. And when we

Apr 11, 2019 • 43:41

The Enneagram and The Next Right Thing, feat. Emily P. Freeman (Enneagram 4)

The Enneagram and The Next Right Thing, feat. Emily P. Freeman (Enneagram 4)

How does your Enneagram type affect your decision making?  Each Enneagram type has different motivations and makes decisions in different ways.  So, when faced with making a decision, sometimes we need to go against the grain of how we normally do things in order to figure out what is the next right thing. In today’s episode, author Emily P. Freeman joins Ian to offer recommendations on decision making based on each Enneagram Type and the Centers of Intelligence.

Apr 4, 2019 • 49:53

Addiction and Recovery with the Enneagram, feat. Nate Larkin and David Hampton [S02-035]

Addiction and Recovery with the Enneagram, feat. Nate Larkin and David Hampton [S02-035]

What are you addicted to? I don’t believe there is one person on this planet who isn’t addicted to something.  And when I say addiction, I don’t necessarily mean addiction to substances.  Addiction is a compulsion to continue doing something despite harmful consequences.  And if we look at addiction through the lens of the Enneagram, we can view the passion of each Enneagram type as an addiction.  The Enneagram helps bring to awareness what these unconscious addictions and compulsions are so we

Mar 27, 2019 • 1:05:26

Top 25 Enneagram Resources [S02-034]

Top 25 Enneagram Resources [S02-034]

The Enneagram is a transformational tool for self-awareness and self-knowledge.  It helps uncover the most unconscious parts of who we are.  But how? Once you identify your Enneagram type, what’s the next step?  On today’s episode of Typology, Ian shares his top 25 Enneagram resources for discovering the why behind what you do and taking the next steps toward becoming your authentic self.

Mar 21, 2019 • 35:13

Honoring Our Differences, feat. Rabbi Evan Moffic (Enneagram 3) [S02-033]

Honoring Our Differences, feat. Rabbi Evan Moffic (Enneagram 3) [S02-033]

How do we use the Enneagram to honor our differences? First, we have to be willing to look at our own story and bravely explore our own dark side.  One of the beauties of the Enneagram is that it helps us become more self-aware, to own our dark side, and to begin to live with more compassion and appreciation for difference.  When we truly understand the Enneagram we see that one type is not better than another. Each type is different and that difference enriches us. But if we’re afraid to look i

Mar 14, 2019 • 44:32

Is Your Story True? Exploring Narrative through the Enneagram

Is Your Story True? Exploring Narrative through the Enneagram

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, “What if the story I tell myself and others about who I am and who I'm becoming isn't true?”  As children, we all construct stories, or narratives, to help make sense of our environment. These childhood interpretations set in motion the patterns of behavior that shape our personality…or how we show up for life.  But, when you can understand the false story around which you have organized your life, then you can begin to play with that story a bit to find yo

Mar 7, 2019 • 38:41

Part 2: How the Enneagram Impacts Emotional Intelligence and Leadership, with Scott Allender [S02-031]

Part 2: How the Enneagram Impacts Emotional Intelligence and Leadership, with Scott Allender [S02-031]

Last week, Scott and Ian talked about how the Enneagram can help you in the workplace. This week, they continue the conversation highlighting the way the Enneagram feeds emotional intelligence, fosters empathy and compassion, increases productivity, and ultimately leads to better bottom line results and a happier place to work. About Scott Allender: Scott is a seasoned executive with expertise in global people leadership and organizational development. He is the co-creator and custodian of a mul

Feb 28, 2019 • 29:34

How the Enneagram Impacts Emotional Intelligence and Leadership, pt. 1 with Scott Allender [S02-030]

How the Enneagram Impacts Emotional Intelligence and Leadership, pt. 1 with Scott Allender [S02-030]

How can the Enneagram help you in the workplace?  How does knowing a person’s personality style help you in leadership development? In today’s episode, Scott Allender, Senior Vice President of Talent Strategy & Development at Warner Music Group, shares how he has used the Enneagram in team building and leadership development. He explains how the Enneagram helps provide insight into how the different people on your team function in the workplace, how you can support them in different phases in th

Feb 21, 2019 • 22:15

What's Your Stance? Part 2, feat. Amy Grant (Enneagram 9) [S02-029]

What's Your Stance? Part 2, feat. Amy Grant (Enneagram 9) [S02-029]

In Part 2 of our conversation with singer/songwriter Amy Grant, we continue to explore stances to hone in on whether or not she’s actually an Enneagram Nine. Discussing the differences between types in the gut triad and how they each relate to anger and focusing on a few key instinctual responses helps Amy find her type. Listen through to the end as Amy shares a special song with us before her interview ends. About Amy Grant Amy Grant has built a long, successful career on music that matters. Ev

Feb 14, 2019 • 39:06

What's Your Stance? feat. Amy Grant, part 1 of 2 [S02-028]

What's Your Stance? feat. Amy Grant, part 1 of 2 [S02-028]

The Enneagram is by far the most effective tool for deepening self-knowledge, sharpening self-awareness, and improving relationships. It helps to identify your unique personality and guides you toward living as your authentic self.  But what if you’re stuck and haven’t yet figured out your type? Today’s guest, singer/songwriter Amy Grant struggled to find her type too.  So, we tackled the struggle from a different angle…using stances.  In fact, one of the quickest ways to identify your Enneagram

Feb 7, 2019 • 29:36

Challenging Your Narrative, with Ryan Stevenson [S02-027]

Challenging Your Narrative, with Ryan Stevenson [S02-027]

In order to make sense or find meaning in our lives in early childhood, we develop narratives that sort of explain our life experiences. We often choose specific incidents that we string together into the plot we now live.  But, have you ever stopped to ask yourself if the story you are living is true? In today’s episode with singer/songwriter Ryan Stevenson, we really tackle the concept of owning your own narrative and challenge whether the interpretations of your own story are in fact true. An

Jan 31, 2019 • 44:53

The Challenger or The Perfectionist? Part 2 of 2 with Kirsten Powers, CNN Political Analyst [S02-026]

The Challenger or The Perfectionist? Part 2 of 2 with Kirsten Powers, CNN Political Analyst [S02-026]

In order to truly use the Enneagram to better understand our own personality, it is important to have an understanding of, not just the unconscious motivations, but also the impact that subtypes and wings have on each type. In part two of our conversation with CNN Political Analyst, Kirsten Powers, we dive into the role subtypes and wings play in determining your type. In this episode, you’ll discover: how understanding unconscious motivations can help you find your type. how the finer disti

Jan 24, 2019 • 25:46

The Challenger or The Perfectionist? Part 1 of 2 with Kirsten Powers

The Challenger or The Perfectionist? Part 1 of 2 with Kirsten Powers

Let’s face it…there’s a deep complexity to the Enneagram.  Yes, for some, it is extremely easy to nail down their type.  But for others…well, it’s more complicated.  Why?  First, everyone exhibits behaviors that look like a particular type.  And to make it even more difficult, there are an infinite number of expressions of each type, some of which will look nothing like you on the exterior, but are still a unique variation of that particular type. However, we can’t determine our type by our beha

Jan 17, 2019 • 31:52

Leveraging Your "Weird" for Success, feat. CJ Casciotta (Enneagram 3) [S02-024]

Leveraging Your "Weird" for Success, feat. CJ Casciotta (Enneagram 3) [S02-024]

In today’s episode, Enneagram Four and author of “Get Weird: Discover the Surprising Secret to Making a Difference,” CJ Casciotta joins us to talk about becoming more comfortable in your own unique self and how using your innate ability to be creative can lead to success in your personal and professional life.   Each of us has our own version of “weird” that is calling to be brought forth into the world.  No matter what you sort you gravitate toward, the reason you're here on Earth is to bring s

Jan 10, 2019 • 51:47

Finding Beauty in Imperfection, feat. Amy Julia Becker (Enneagram 1)

Finding Beauty in Imperfection, feat. Amy Julia Becker (Enneagram 1)

Enneagram Ones, or the Perfectionists, often have an idealized view of how things should be and constantly strive to improve themselves, others, and the world.  With a strong desire to do the right thing and not make mistakes, Ones tend to control feelings that they deem inappropriate to the point that it is difficult for them to access or express negative emotions, such as anger, fear, or even anxiety. But learning to understand that all emotions are actually very human and a part of each of us

Jan 3, 2019 • 36:49

Replay: Moving from Happy to Joy, feat. Annie Downs (Enneagram 7)

Replay: Moving from Happy to Joy, feat. Annie Downs (Enneagram 7)

This week we're taking a break to spend time with our families over the holidays and hope you are doing the same.  Enjoy this replay of one of our most downloaded episodes. Annie F. Downs, discusses how she stopped running from pain and is learning to share more of her true self through her own path to transformation.

Dec 27, 2018 • 1:00:28

Running Your Own Race, part 2, feat. Darren Whitehead (Enneagram 3) [S02-021]

Running Your Own Race, part 2, feat. Darren Whitehead (Enneagram 3) [S02-021]

This week Ian continues the conversation with pastor, author, and leader at Church of the City, Darren Whitehead, as he discusses where he gets stuck as an Enneagram 3, why he learned to say no, and how he measures success through spiritual growth rather than statistics. About Darren Whitehead In 2013 with a small team, Darren and Brandy Whitehead founded Church of the City. They had a vision to plant a family of churches that live in the way of Jesus for the renewal of global cities. Every week

Dec 20, 2018 • 37:03

Running Your Own Race, pt. 1, feat. Darren Whitehead (Enneagram 3)

Running Your Own Race, pt. 1, feat. Darren Whitehead (Enneagram 3)

Enneagram Threes, when not self-aware, are plagued with comparison. They compare themselves to other people who seem to be more successful and feel some sense of shame about that. On the flip side, when they look at people who aren't as successful, they can feel a sense of pride. Because unhealthy Threes believe their value comes exclusively from their performance or achievements, they tend to push their accomplishments out in front of people to gain their love and admiration. But when Threes ar

Dec 13, 2018 • 36:47

Bonus Christmas Episode! Hilarious and Legit Gifts for Every Number

Bonus Christmas Episode! Hilarious and Legit Gifts for Every Number

On this episode, Ian and Anthony drink WAY too much egg nog and start calling unsuspecting (former) friends to ask for the perfect gift for their type!

Dec 10, 2018 • 37:49

Living Awake and Balanced, feat. David Dark and Sarah Masen (Enneagram 9 and 6) [S02-018]

Living Awake and Balanced, feat. David Dark and Sarah Masen (Enneagram 9 and 6) [S02-018]

Not only is the Enneagram a great tool for gaining self-knowledge, but it is also a gateway for building strong relationships. When you understand that your way of seeing the world is not the only way to see the world, it creates room for compassion and appreciation toward others. The Enneagram teaches us how to communicate, and in turn, strengthens our relationships with family, friends, and co-workers. This week I invited husband and wife, David Dark (Enneagram 9) and Sarah Masen (Enneagram 6)

Dec 6, 2018 • 1:12:22

Exploring the Shadow with Jonathan Merritt (Enneagram 3)

Exploring the Shadow with Jonathan Merritt (Enneagram 3)

Whether there’s a three in your life or you are a three yourself, you’re probably aware that threes are not naturally self-reflective. They tend to be externally focused rather than internally focused. The big message that threes receive growing up is that it's not okay to have your own feelings and identity, so they expend a lot of energy creating, projecting and maintaining a false image in order to be admired and accepted. Projecting this false image makes it very challenging for three’s to a

Nov 29, 2018 • 53:14

Courage in Vulnerability, feat. Chris Cruz (Enneagram 8) [S02-016]

Courage in Vulnerability, feat. Chris Cruz (Enneagram 8) [S02-016]

Eights are motivated by a powerful need to be strong and, when unhealthy, can have a hard time lowering their guard in fear of appearing weak or vulnerable.  Healthy Eights understand that there is strength and power in vulnerability. Yes, it takes courage to risk vulnerability. But if Eights want to love and be loved they will have to risk opening their heart and revealing their innermost feelings to a trusted few. Today, Ian welcomes young adults pastor, Chris Cruz, into a conversation about l

Nov 15, 2018 • 51:56

Part 2: Don Miller on Directing Your New Story (Enneagram 3) [S02-015]

Part 2: Don Miller on Directing Your New Story (Enneagram 3) [S02-015]

Last week, StoryBrand's Don Miller joined Ian to discuss the importance of directing your own story. Tune in today as the conversation turns toward understanding how each Enneagram type tends to lead and how that can impact the broader culture of a workplace.   About Don Miller: Donald Miller is the CEO of StoryBrand, and every year he helps more than 3,000 business leaders clarify their brand message. He is the author of New York Times best-sellers: Blue Like Jazz, Scary Close, and A Million Mi

Nov 8, 2018 • 29:28

Part 1: Don Miller on Directing Your New Story (Enneagram 3) [S02-014]

Part 1: Don Miller on Directing Your New Story (Enneagram 3) [S02-014]

The Enneagram is not just meant to help people understand themselves and then do nothing about it. Rather it is a tool for fostering deep, inner work. In order to make lasting changes in your life, you need to know the story and themes that run beneath the surface. The Enneagram reveals what story you are programmed with and how a self-limiting narrative drives a lot of thoughts, actions, and behaviors. In today's episode, Don Miller and Ian Cron talk about the importance of directing your own s

Nov 1, 2018 • 58:10

Embracing Wilderlove as an Enneagram Four, feat. John Mark McMillan [S02-013]

Embracing Wilderlove as an Enneagram Four, feat. John Mark McMillan [S02-013]

One of the gifts of the Enneagram -- the wisdom that we can gain from it -- is self-knowledge. No matter your Enneagram type, self-knowledge can help you dis-identify with those aspects of your personality that put you in an unhealthy place of habitual reactivity.  And once you start to observe those unhealthy aspects, and dive into your work, you'll no longer be ruled by your personality. Our guest this week, John Mark McMillan, is a brilliant singer-songwriter, artist. He's a platinum-selling

Oct 24, 2018 • 49:40

Emotional Wellness and the Enneagram, feat. Miles Adcox (Enneagram 3)

Emotional Wellness and the Enneagram, feat. Miles Adcox (Enneagram 3)

Enneagram Threes, or The Achievers, see a world in which people only value others for what they can do versus for who they are. They tend to be driven, task-oriented, visionaries, goal crushers who want to avoid failure at all costs.  Threes are very concerned with what other people think of them and are able to look in anybody’s eyes and respond instinctively to whether or not they're being approved or disapproved of in the moment, and then tweaking or projecting a specific image to make sure t

Oct 18, 2018 • 1:05:54

Moving from Happy to Joy, feat. Annie F. Downs (Enneagram 7) [S02-011]

Moving from Happy to Joy, feat. Annie F. Downs (Enneagram 7) [S02-011]

Sevens have a core belief that in order for them to be secure, loved and valued they have to bring the energy and excitement into every situation.  There’s this expectation and pressure to be on all the time. And though they are generally wired with a great deal of energy, so it does come easily to them, Sevens have a lot more to offer than just their energy and humor. The struggle for a Seven comes when they get trapped in the role of “entertainer” and distract themselves with exciting situatio

Oct 11, 2018 • 56:08

A Thirst for Redemption, feat. Scott Harrison (Enneagram 8w7) [S02-010]

A Thirst for Redemption, feat. Scott Harrison (Enneagram 8w7) [S02-010]

For those of you who are new to the Enneagram and listening, Eights are called the Challengers. Sometimes they're called the Boss. Eights are typically people who are real forces of nature in the world. They live larger than life. The deadly sin or passion of Eights is lust. That doesn't necessarily mean in the sexual sense of the word, although Eights do have a hunger for excess in every area of life. For those of you who don't know, it's a lust for intensity. They just want immediate engagemen

Oct 4, 2018 • 54:24

Navigating Friendship with the Enneagram, feat. The Liturgists (Enneagram 5 & 9) [S02-009]

Navigating Friendship with the Enneagram, feat. The Liturgists (Enneagram 5 & 9) [S02-009]

What's your best friend's number? Understanding the Enneagram can profoundly impact how you relate to others and help you build strong friendships. Knowing your friends' number allows you to understand each other's tendencies and creates space for conversation and compassion.  Today on Typology, listen as Michael Gungor and Mike McHargue, co-hosts of the wildly popular podcast, The Liturgists, demonstrate the role the Enneagram has played in their friendship. Michael Gungor is one half of Gungor

Sep 27, 2018 • 1:13:40

Name It...then Tame It, Part 2, feat. Mark Scandrette [S02-008]

Name It...then Tame It, Part 2, feat. Mark Scandrette [S02-008]

In last week's episode, Mark Scandrette shared some simple steps to help you begin using the Enneagram to move from unconscious to conscious living. In part two, Mark and Ian continue their conversation by discussing the importance of doing work within a community and asking the right questions.  Mark Scandrette has written five books on practical spirituality that seek to apply spiritual wisdom to everyday life: FREE, Practicing The Way of Jesus, Soul Graffiti, Belonging and Becoming (Co-author

Sep 19, 2018 • 36:10

Name It...then Tame It, feat. Mark Scandrette, pt 1 of 2 [S02-007]

Name It...then Tame It, feat. Mark Scandrette, pt 1 of 2 [S02-007]

Every day listeners email asking, “I know my type, now what?” Well, the truth is that simply knowing your Enneagram type doesn’t change anything in and of itself other than to arm you with a little bit of self-knowledge. Understanding where you go in points of stress and where you go in growth helps explain a lot about why each of us has particular struggles. But to really begin to heal and experience true transformation, we have to be willing to face our shadows because that’s where the distort

Sep 13, 2018 • 34:33

We Can Laugh: Life with Dave Barnes (Enneagram 7) [S02-006]

We Can Laugh: Life with Dave Barnes (Enneagram 7) [S02-006]

Open to new experiences, Sevens are self-confident, optimistic and joyful people who exude loads of energy. They bring a sense of adventure and energy to their relationships and generally try to avoid negative feelings. But that doesn’t mean that Sevens aren’t emotionally articulate. In fact, as part of the Head Triad, Sevens are very intelligent about a variety of subjects, including emotions.  It’s just that it’s not the first thing they want to talk about. In today’s episode, Enneagram 7, Dav

Sep 6, 2018 • 1:12:58

The Bible Project, feat. Tim Mackie and Jon Collins (Enneagram 5) [S02-005]

The Bible Project, feat. Tim Mackie and Jon Collins (Enneagram 5) [S02-005]

The Enneagram is a great tool for discovering why we feel the way we feel, act the way we act, and think the way we think.  For Fives, who are unconsciously motivated by Avarice (or Greed), the Enneagram can help identify when fear begins to take over and they are operating with a perpetual scarcity mentality.  On auto-pilot, Fives can be inclined to disassociate and observe from a distance, rather than jumping in and participating in life.  In today’s episode, Tim Mackie and Jon Collins from Th

Aug 30, 2018 • 1:21:40

Trusting Your Self, feat. Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6)

Trusting Your Self, feat. Jeff Chu (Enneagram 6)

Sixes have excellent analytical minds, are great strategists, troubleshooters, problem-solvers, and of course, see worst-case scenarios that other people don't see. The passion of the Six is fear which is often experienced as anxiety…anxiety that the unexpected could happen at any time. Sixes are really good at playing out all the worst-case scenarios in any given situation. But once they launch a mental narrative in their head of all that could go wrong, these fictional stories can take on live

Aug 23, 2018 • 56:17

Part 2 of 2: Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz (Enneagram 3) [S02-003]

Part 2 of 2: Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz (Enneagram 3) [S02-003]

When you truly begin doing your work, the Enneagram really should mess with you. It should dis-equilibrate you, throw you back on your heals, make you wonder, "Who am I? Who is everybody else? What am I supposed to do now? This week we're back with part 2 of Claire Diaz-Ortiz's interview revealing how her research into Enneagram Threes has helped her dig beneath the surface and shift her focus towards using the gifts she's developed to lift up others from behind the scenes.   Claire Diaz-Ortiz i

Aug 15, 2018 • 44:06

Instincts and Subtypes with Aaron Niequist [S02-002]

Instincts and Subtypes with Aaron Niequist [S02-002]

Welcome back to Season 2 of Typology.  I'm thrilled to continue Season Two with a really great friend who I've known for many years, Aaron Niequist. Though Aaron is a four on the Enneagram, we're actually going to explore some new territory today. We're going to go into some content that'll be great for every single number to know and learn about. With two fours on the line, I do need to say that because otherwise, everyone will just assume that all we're going to do is talk about ourselves for

Aug 9, 2018 • 56:28

Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz Part 1 of 2 (Enneagram 3) [S02-001]

Looking into the Shadow...A Hero's Journey, feat. Claire Diaz-Ortiz Part 1 of 2 (Enneagram 3) [S02-001]

Claire Diaz-Ortiz first discovered the Enneagram in 2005 and typed herself as an Enneagram One. When Ian first interviewed Claire in Season One, she came onto the show sharing her life through the lens of a One.  But the more she and Ian dug into her narrative, the more Ian began to sense there was more to Claire's story.  Ian suggested she consider reading up on Enneagram Threes...and she did. Today, Claire returns to reveal how her research into Enneagram Threes has had impacted her and helped

Aug 2, 2018 • 31:51

054: [Revisited] :: Here, Hold My Beer...A Panel of Enneagram Twos

054: [Revisited] :: Here, Hold My Beer...A Panel of Enneagram Twos

Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers.  They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people.  Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out. In this week’s episode of Typology, we revisit our Panel of Twos who describe what it’s like to view life through the eyes of The Helper.  So, tune in and listen as the loud-laughing, contentedly uncool mom of three teenagers, Tia

Jul 26, 2018 • 1:07:48

Rob Bell (Enneagram 7), Author, Speaker & Gracious Provocateur, Revisited

Rob Bell (Enneagram 7), Author, Speaker & Gracious Provocateur, Revisited

Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you’ll discover while we revisit this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing." Check out Rob’s latest book, What Is the Bible?, and visit RobBell.com for speaking dates and other events.

Jul 19, 2018 • 55:36

052: Science Mike Hacks the Enneagram, Revisited

052: Science Mike Hacks the Enneagram, Revisited

This week we are revisiting Ian's interview with 'Science Mike' McHargue as he shares his journey through the inner sanctum of an Enneagram Nine and his process of building a healthy connection to anger.   To preserve their inner peace and harmony, Nines often deny or simply don't even recognize their anger. Instead, they create an inner boundary to tamp down any feelings or desires that might disturb their calm inner sea.  They also establish an external boundary to protect themselves from anyt

Jul 12, 2018 • 1:13:44

[Revisited] Sarah Thebarge, Moving out of fear into love as an Enneagram 6

[Revisited] Sarah Thebarge, Moving out of fear into love as an Enneagram 6

For the month of July we will be revisiting some of Typology's most downloaded episodes.  This week we revisit Ian's interview with Sarah Thebarge. Sarah shares how she approaches the world through the lens of an Enneagram Six. With a strong need for security and consistency, Sixes appreciate order, plans and rules and like the comfort and predictability of laws and guidelines.  But their passion is fear, which is often experienced as anxiety.  Anxiety is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehen

Jul 5, 2018 • 58:35

050: Bob & Maria Goff, the Beautifully Imperfect Marriage of an Enneagram 9 & 7, Revisited

050: Bob & Maria Goff, the Beautifully Imperfect Marriage of an Enneagram 9 & 7, Revisited

Today we are revisiting Ian's interview with celebrated Author, Speaker Bob Goff and his wife Maria. Bob is an Enneagram 7 and Maria is a 9.  And even though this episode provides a lot of insight into the worldview of a 7 and 9, the show today is really more about marriage and how two very distinct personality types can create a climate in which difference isn't merely tolerated, but rather is celebrated.  Now, even if you're not married, you'll still love this episode because it paints a marve

Jun 28, 2018 • 50:16

Julianne Cusick (Enneagram 1) Finds Her Inner Encourager

Julianne Cusick (Enneagram 1) Finds Her Inner Encourager

As Richard Rohr says, Ones are childlike and full of joy and wonder at the world and creation.  But for Ones, that sense of joy has been lost.  Instead, they suppress their own feelings and focus on being good and doing what is right.  They feel a sense of duty and responsibility and may harbor resentment toward others who don’t see things the right way – their way.  But what would it look like if Ones reclaimed their childlike wonder? When Ones move toward health, they begin to let judgments go

Jun 21, 2018 • 55:47

048: Surrender and Acceptance, feat. Ashley Cleveland

048: Surrender and Acceptance, feat. Ashley Cleveland

Every single day I receive multiple emails from listeners saying they are stuck and can’t figure out their Enneagram type.  Usually, my first recommendation is to dive into the Subtypes of each number to see if that helps narrow things down. But there is something else to consider…something we have not yet talked about on Typology.  Just as the Enneagram is broken into Triads, it is also broken into Stances--the Dependent Stance, the Withdrawing Stance, and the Aggressive Stance. So, if you’re s

Jun 14, 2018 • 1:12:50

047: Self to Lose, Self to Find, feat. Marilyn Vancil

047: Self to Lose, Self to Find, feat. Marilyn Vancil

Our guest today is an Enneagram professional, spiritual director, coach, facilitator, and author who is passionate about the Enneagram personality model and its value in Christian spiritual transformation. Her workshops and retreats focus on how the Enneagram helps people identify barriers to living out their unique expression and experience as one created in God’s image. This show is packed with great information for those who know your Enneagram type and are interested in learning how to shift

Jun 7, 2018 • 1:10:35

046: How an Enneagram 8 learns to be vulnerable, feat. Patrick Chappell

046: How an Enneagram 8 learns to be vulnerable, feat. Patrick Chappell

Eights are often called the Challengers, but I like to call them the Protectors or Defenders. Every type has a basic fear and desire coloring the waters of their personality.  The basic fear of an Eight is being not in control of their self. The basic desire is to avoid feeling weak or vulnerable. But Eights can often be misinterpreted. Though they can often appear blunt and aggressive, Eights are truly about justice and looking out for their tribe and making sure others feel like they belong. E

May 31, 2018 • 59:33

045: An Enneagram 7 Lets Go of His Expectations, feat. Luke Norsworthy

045: An Enneagram 7 Lets Go of His Expectations, feat. Luke Norsworthy

Sevens are the joy bombs of the Enneagram.  The energy they give off is energetic, fun-loving and naturally cheerful. They are optimistic by nature and seize every moment of life. They live for the next adventure and are experts at reframing a negative situation to find the silver lining.  But all their “living for tomorrow” is really to avoid pain and introspection.  Sevens may have an underlying feeling that if they allow themselves to feel an emotion they’ll get stuck in that emotion never co

May 24, 2018 • 1:02:33

044: Jen Hatmaker’s Fight for Grace using the Enneagram

044: Jen Hatmaker’s Fight for Grace using the Enneagram

The last time I spoke with Jen Hatmaker on her “For of Love” podcast, we talked about how she identifies as a Three. As our conversation continued I began to think, “Man, you’ve got a lot of features of an Eight. I wonder if you should check out this other type.”   Threes and Eights are both assertive, ambitious, and competitive. But the difference is that an average eight wants to get their way pretty fast because they just don't want to waste time. They're not afraid to get into an argument, b

May 17, 2018 • 58:56

043: An Enneagram 8's Process of Defrosting, part 2 with David Gungor

043: An Enneagram 8's Process of Defrosting, part 2 with David Gungor

Last week David Gungor shared his struggle in determining his type, how he embraces his “chaotic intentionality,” and what it means to need others to “get out of his face.”  Today we continue the conversation about how the Enneagram can help Enneagram Eights grow in self-awareness through spiritual practices and leaning into the people they do trust to gain true intimacy.   David Gungor is a member of The Brilliance, the American worship music duo of David Gungor and John Arndt. The band started

May 10, 2018 • 48:34

042: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor

042: Practicing Vulnerability as an Enneagram 8, feat. David Gungor

Enneagram Eights are called The Challenger for a good reason. Eights don’t like to feel controlled and avoid any appearance of vulnerability.  They are naturally confrontational and their combative energy can feel intimidating to others.  But what feels like intimidation to others actually feels like connection to an Eight. Eights express their anger freely, are fueled by high levels of stimulation, and react very strongly against challenging injustices.  And, as you’ll hear from our guest, Davi

May 3, 2018 • 39:29

041: Who am I if I can't DO anything? feat. Michele Cushatt (Enneagram 2)

041: Who am I if I can't DO anything? feat. Michele Cushatt (Enneagram 2)

Twos have an amazing way of making other people feel safe and comfortable. They are some of the most caring, supportive and upbeat people I know.  They accept you as you are, aren’t judgmental and create space where people can speak from their hearts and experience.  Yet, Twos need to be needed but for a Two to admit their own “neediness” is very difficult. They rarely ask for help and don’t know how to receive it when it’s offered.   Instead, they focus their energy on meeting the needs of othe

Apr 26, 2018 • 56:06

040: Part 2, May the Fours Be with You: A Panel of Enneagram Fours

040: Part 2, May the Fours Be with You: A Panel of Enneagram Fours

This week we continue with our panel of Fours -- Sandra McCracken, Megan Miller, Matthew Perryman Jones, and Don Chaffer. Tune in as we discuss the strengths and challenges of being a Four, and then stick around to the end when Ian and guests pull some guitars down from the studio walls and spontaneously break into a Dylan tune. It's pretty unforgettable.

Apr 19, 2018 • 38:27

039: May the Fours Be with You: A Panel of Enneagram Fours

039: May the Fours Be with You: A Panel of Enneagram Fours

For those who are new to the Enneagram or to what life is like as an Enneagram Four, let me just give a 50,000-foot fly-by of the Enneagram Four.  Fours, called the Individualists, sometimes called the Romantics or the Tragic Romantics, these are folks who have a sense that they carry within themselves some deficiency--some irredeemable deficiency--a missing piece in their essential makeup that they can't quite name. It actually elicits or brings up in them this kind of inconsolable longing for

Apr 12, 2018 • 48:25

038: How the Enneagram Unexpectedly Rocked Our World, feat. research psychologist Dr. Richard Beck and his wife, Jana

038: How the Enneagram Unexpectedly Rocked Our World, feat. research psychologist Dr. Richard Beck and his wife, Jana

After a knee-jerk reaction of skepticism, Dr. Richard Beck and his wife, Jana, share how the Enneagram has had a profound effect on their family. In today’s show, we talk about the disjoint of how we conceive ourselves and how we behave on the ground, how personality and virtue cut across Enneagram types, and the unique contribution of the fluidity of the Enneagram. Richard Beck, Ph.D. is a research psychologist, professor, and award-winning author. His books include: Unclean: Meditations on Pur

Apr 5, 2018 • 1:08:05

This week we jump back into our conversation with Paul Young to help nail down his type.  Figuring out his type was hard, as it can be for many.  But I think Paul has suffered and worked through so many things in his life, he has reached a point where I think he's maybe one of the most integrated nines I've ever known. Also, because of that, he has a mystical quality.  When they're healthy, nines are so awake there's a mystical quality to them. I think it becomes tough to figure out their type b

Mar 29, 2018 • 47:16

036: Exploring "The Shack" with the Enneagram and author Paul Young, pt 1

036: Exploring "The Shack" with the Enneagram and author Paul Young, pt 1

When learning the Enneagram and figuring out your number, one of the things that complicates the process is trauma and the effect of trauma on personality development and theory. I always say, I think personality, just the defensive nature of the personality thickens on people with trauma. The staircase is steeper that we have to climb. Our guest in this two-part episode is not sure if he's a 9 or a 7. And so during the show, we actually get into it, we actually help Author Paul Young nail it in

Mar 22, 2018 • 50:04

035: Sarah Thebarge, Moving Out of Fear Into Love as an Enneagram 6

035: Sarah Thebarge, Moving Out of Fear Into Love as an Enneagram 6

I’ve said it before, Sixes are wonderful. They have a strong need for security and consistency. They appreciate order, plans and rules and like the comfort and predictability of laws and guidelines.  But Sixes also have a shadow side.  Their passion is fear, which is often experienced as anxiety.  Anxiety is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehension that arises in response to an unknown or potential threat that may never materialize.  So, how do Sixes achieve spiritual growth? A lot of Sixes

Mar 15, 2018 • 54:48

034: How to fix your broken record with the Enneagram, Feat. Amena Brown (Type 2)

034: How to fix your broken record with the Enneagram, Feat. Amena Brown (Type 2)

Every type on the Enneagram has misbeliefs and errant unconscious motivations that get us to do and think and feel things that just are not in our best interests.  We all have these broken messages in our lives that run like recordings in the background. The hurtful words and experiences from our past often determine what record play in our head as an adult. In her new book, How to Fix a Broken Record, Amena Brown uses music to help us recognize the negative messages that play on repeat througho

Mar 7, 2018 • 1:06:54

033: The Enneagram on Tour with Tenth Avenue North

033: The Enneagram on Tour with Tenth Avenue North

Have you ever wondered what it would be like to go on tour with a band?  It sounds exciting, right? You’d hop on a tour bus, travel coast to coast seeing the world, and entertain thousands of people every night.    But, what is it truly like to live on a bus with 11 other people day-in and day-out?  Well, when the road manager of Tenth Avenue North reached out to talk about how the Enneagram, and The Road Back to You in particular, has helped their band get along in tight quarters, I was excited

Mar 1, 2018 • 1:36:26

032: Reading People through the Lens of the Enneagram, with author Anne Bogel (Enneagram 9)

032: Reading People through the Lens of the Enneagram, with author Anne Bogel (Enneagram 9)

When Nines are healthy and self-aware, they learn to feel special and important. They get in touch with their own passions and feel secure enough to stand behind their accomplishments. They become assertive and decisive. But when they switch to autopilot and spiritually fall asleep at the wheel, they doubt themselves and become more pessimistic. The deadly sin, or the passion of Nines, Sloth, is really about the failure to invest in your own self-development, in your own spiritual maturity, beco

Feb 22, 2018 • 56:29

031: Here, Hold My Beer...A Panel of Enneagram Twos

031: Here, Hold My Beer...A Panel of Enneagram Twos

In Enneagram-speak, Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers.  They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people.  Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out. But, why listen to me talk about The Helper when you can hear it from those who actually live it?  In this week’s episode of Typology, I brought together a panel of Twos to describe what it’s like in the mind of

Feb 14, 2018 • 1:07:56

030: Blowing up the Personality Box, feat. Brian Hardin, creator of the Daily Audio Bible podcast

030: Blowing up the Personality Box, feat. Brian Hardin, creator of the Daily Audio Bible podcast

Our personality types can put us into an almost hypnotic trance, something I’d call the shadow. We relegate to the shadow those parts of ourselves we don't want to see. What the Enneagram does is it takes a flashlight and it goes into the shadow with you. It says, “Okay, we've got to look around.” It helps us embrace the journey inward. And no, it's not going to be comfortable. It is going to be painful because embracing pain isn’t something we do well. It’s something that we avoid well. But it’

Feb 8, 2018 • 54:21

029: An Enneagram State of the Union, feat. Author & Former White House staffer Michael Wear

029: An Enneagram State of the Union, feat. Author & Former White House staffer Michael Wear

About a month ago, I sat down with author and former White House staffer, Michael Wear, to talk about personality, power, and politics.  And I know this is a hot-button topic, but I do think it's an important conversation to have.  When we're talking about the President of United States and want to understand who he/she is, how he/she operates, and why our country is where it is, I think it's fair to begin to just think out loud what is happening here and what does it mean? So listen in as Micha

Feb 1, 2018 • 44:44

028: The Grace of Letting Go—the conversation continues with Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2), Part 2

028: The Grace of Letting Go—the conversation continues with Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2), Part 2

Enneagram Twos are part of the shame triad which, for those who are just getting started with the Enneagram, means that ‘shame’ is the go-to emotion for Twos, Threes, and Fours.  Whatever the external manifestation is of—our struggle, our compulsion, our presenting problem, anger, alcohol, buying stuff that you don't need, sex, helping—shame is always what fuels that compulsion because where there's shame, our soul can't rest, in a sense of being loved.  The very thing that we're hungry and thir

Jan 25, 2018 • 28:30

027: "I'm OK if you're OK" A conversation with Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2) Part 1

027: "I'm OK if you're OK" A conversation with Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2) Part 1

Known as The Helper, or as Michael Cusick prefers to call them, The Giver, Twos can be really great therapists and are maybe the most natural to move into that field, but there's also a lot of things about being a Two that work against that. Twos can care too much for the wrong reasons.  Twos are so wired and attuned to the needs and the feelings of other people that they are often clueless as to what their own are.  They look to other people to take care of their needs without having to acknowl

Jan 17, 2018 • 24:01

026: Living Out Loud - A Conversation with Jo Saxton

026: Living Out Loud - A Conversation with Jo Saxton

Healthy Eights are great friends, exceptional leaders and champions of those who cannot fight on their own behalf. They have the intelligence, courage and stamina to do what others say can’t be done. And, as with most Enneagram Eights, Jo Saxton is full of Eight's life-giving energy so when she was available for our podcast, I jumped at the chance to interview her. When healthy, Eights learn to open their hearts like a healthy Two. And today, Jo shares how she peeled back the layers, let down he

Jan 11, 2018 • 1:05:17

025: Life, Family and the Enneagram with the Crons

025: Life, Family and the Enneagram with the Crons

"Compassion is a verb." - Thich Nhat Hanh The Enneagram helps us recognize and overcome self-defeating patterns of behavior by challenging us to bravely explore who we really are. As we grow in self-awareness we pave the way for our wiser and more compassionate self.  Instead of banging guardrail-to-guardrail through life hurting those in our path, the Enneagram allows us to build and sustain healthy relationships by appreciating and understanding our own motivations and behaviors as well as tho

Jan 4, 2018 • 1:14:33

Episode 24: Part 2 - Science Mike hacks the Enneagram

Episode 24: Part 2 - Science Mike hacks the Enneagram

This week on Typology, we continue our conversation with 'Science Mike' McHargue. This show is bursting with wisdom about Nines.  You'll learn how Nines can spiritually wake up and leverage their unleashed energy for some really cool things, what a Nine looks like in Right Action, and hear some great tips at the end for growing in your journey.   Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's

Dec 21, 2017 • 33:41

Episode 23: Science Mike hacks the Enneagram

Episode 23: Science Mike hacks the Enneagram

Enneagram Nines, or The Peacemakers, are open and receptive in every way. They can see both sides to everything and they have a profound awareness of the interconnectedness of all things in creation.  Their unconscious motivation is to avoid conflict at all costs, to maintain a relational connection, maintain the status quo, and preserve inner peace and harmony.  To preserve this inner peace and harmony, Nines create internal and external boundaries.  The inner boundary is to tamp down any feeli

Dec 14, 2017 • 41:30

Episode 22: Claire Diaz-Ortiz, Sorry...wrong number?

Episode 22: Claire Diaz-Ortiz, Sorry...wrong number?

A lot of listeners have reached out asking “how do I figure out my type?” And though I would love to give the answer, the truth is it can be very difficult to figure out one’s Enneagram number. You are the only one who can truly determine your own Enneagram number because only you can identify the underlying motivation that drives the way you view the world. The real determining factor is not what you do, but rather why you do it. And, frankly, sometimes that can take a lot of internal work. In

Dec 7, 2017 • 50:19

Episode 21:  Why Didn’t Matthew Perryman Jones Get the Memo?

Episode 21: Why Didn’t Matthew Perryman Jones Get the Memo?

Fours are the most complex of all the types on the Enneagram. They spend their lives feeling different and separate from others and long to be understood and appreciated for their authentic self. Fours experience themselves as people who are missing something essential at their core that they just can’t put their finger on.  As Tim Burton describes it, “if you’ve ever had that feeling of loneliness, of being an outsider, it never quite leaves you.” Fours also have a considerable emotional range.

Nov 30, 2017 • 1:09:55

Episode 20: Becoming Lisa Whelchel

Episode 20: Becoming Lisa Whelchel

Enneagram Threes focus on outstanding performance, being perceived as successful and avoiding failure at all costs. They believe that love comes from achievement, image, and status and have the tendency to neglect or ignore the personal needs of self and others. But when Threes move toward health they move to the high side of Six.  When that happens they no longer need to “drive the bus” or flaunt success. They are so good at helping others live into their full potential and be successful in the

Nov 16, 2017 • 59:56

Episode 19: Andy Root, The Hysterical Analytical Enneagram Five"

Episode 19: Andy Root, The Hysterical Analytical Enneagram Five"

Enneagram Fives are known as the Investigators, or the Observers.  They see the world as intrusive, overwhelming and draining.  They prefer to observe life from the sidelines rather than jumping in and participating in it. They value their privacy and freedom and can feel consumed, or drained, by prolonged involvement with other people or by having too many expectations placed on them.  They monitor the amount of time they spend with others and hightail it back to the realm of the mind whenever

Nov 9, 2017 • 1:03:45

Episode 18: Matt Carter, An Enneagram Skeptic Finds His Number (And So Can You!)

Episode 18: Matt Carter, An Enneagram Skeptic Finds His Number (And So Can You!)

I’ve received lots of emails and messages from folks on social media who are struggling to nail down their Enneagram number. Well, let me tell you, if that’s the case for you, this show is spot on. While only you can determine your own type, there are some things you can do to help get clarity.  For those out there who are trying to figure out their type it’s often helpful to read up on wings.  Wings are the number on either side of your number.  Each of these wings will have a different influen

Nov 2, 2017 • 1:22:28

Episode 17: Take Five! A Panel of Enneagram 5s with Lori Chaffer, Kenny Benge and Joel Miller

Episode 17: Take Five! A Panel of Enneagram 5s with Lori Chaffer, Kenny Benge and Joel Miller

On this week’s show we invited a panel of Enneagram Fives into the studio to describe how they see and experience the world. Called the Investigators, or the Observers, Fives are kind, perceptive, sensitive, calm in a crisis and often possess a sly, slightly cynical sense of humor that’s endlessly entertaining. But, they can also come across as detached from their feelings, or aloof, unless they feel safe to share their emotions. Fives are often the most misunderstood number on the Enneagram. So

Oct 26, 2017 • 1:16:07

Episode 16: Sleeping At Last, Grace Requires Nothing of You

Episode 16: Sleeping At Last, Grace Requires Nothing of You

I think there are truths which reveal the limitations of human language. And when this happens we have to rely on artists to express these great spiritual insights through an alternative language--like music or film or the visual arts or dance--to say clearly what the rest of us only feel vaguely.  So, when I heard Ryan O’Neal, otherwise known as Sleeping At Last, was writing songs from the perspective of each of the Nine Enneagram Types, well as you can imagine, I was pretty intrigued. On today

Oct 17, 2017 • 45:34

Episode 15: Richard Rohr, Finally Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram, pt. 2 (Enneagram 1)

Episode 15: Richard Rohr, Finally Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram, pt. 2 (Enneagram 1)

On last week’s episode of Typology, I had an amazing conversation with my friend, Fr. Richard Rohr, renowned Enneagram expert and Franciscan Priest, and Executive Director for the Center for Action and Contemplation in Albuquerque, New Mexico.  We discussed the difference between the true-self and the false-self and explained how the Enneagram can guide us on our journey toward identifying our own true-self. This week on Typology, Richard and I continue that conversation. Today, we talk about ho

Oct 12, 2017 • 37:46

Episode 14: Richard Rohr, Finally Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram, pt. I (Enneagram 1)

Episode 14: Richard Rohr, Finally Getting Over Your "Self" with the Enneagram, pt. I (Enneagram 1)

I first encountered the Enneagram when I was a graduate student at a conservative seminary. While on a weekend retreat I came across a copy of Fr. Richard Rohr’s book, Discovering The Enneagram: An Ancient Tool for a New Spiritual Journey. In that book Richard describes the traits and the underlying compulsions of each of the nine basic Enneagram types. Based on my life experience and what I’d learned in my training to become a counselor, Rohr’s description of the types blew my mind.  They were

Oct 5, 2017 • 36:17

Shauna and Aaron Niequist on Nurturing Relationships with the Enneagram (Enneagram 4 and 7)

Shauna and Aaron Niequist on Nurturing Relationships with the Enneagram (Enneagram 4 and 7)

Recently I came across an intriguing article in the Huffington Post about a group of Harvard researchers who undertook a longitudinal study to answer the questions, “͞What are the secrets to a happy and purposeful life?” and “How do we grow and change, what do we value as time goes on, and what is likely to make us happy and fulfilled?” What do you think the researchers said was their most important finding? It was that love and relationships are really all that matters. A person could have a s

Sep 28, 2017 • 1:02:22

Episode 12: I Know My Type...Now What? Continuing Our Conversation with Beatrice Chestnut

Episode 12: I Know My Type...Now What? Continuing Our Conversation with Beatrice Chestnut

A few weeks ago, renowned Enneagram teacher and author Dr. Beatrice Chestnut joined me on our show to discuss how Enneagram Twos see and relate to the world. Beatrice was so great that we were flooded with requests to have her on again, and thankfully she agreed or we would’ve had a mutiny on our hands! On this episode Beatrice and I tackle the question “How do I use the Enneagram as a tool for personal and spiritual transformation?” It’s a great question. Information isn’t transformation. If yo

Sep 21, 2017 • 53:36

Episode 10: So Six-y it Hurts (A Panel of Sixes)

Episode 10: So Six-y it Hurts (A Panel of Sixes)

The more I know about life and people, the more I love Enneagram Sixes. Called Loyalists, Sixes are the most faithful and dependable people on the Enneagram. They keep a watchful eye over us. They safeguard our values. In my opinion, they're the glue that holds our world together. And, by the time this episode is over, you’re going to understand why Enneagram Sixes have a reputation for being some of the funniest people on the planet. But wait! There’s another reason why you need to listen to th

Sep 7, 2017 • 1:09:53

Episode 9: Beatrice Chestnut, An Enneagram Two’s Journey Toward Finding Real Love

Episode 9: Beatrice Chestnut, An Enneagram Two’s Journey Toward Finding Real Love

Enneagram Twos are some of the most caring, kind, supportive, upbeat, and tenderhearted people on God’s good green earth. Three of my closest friends are Twos, and together they radiate enough love and generosity of spirit to heat a metroplex. In Enneagram-speak they’re called The Helpers. On today’s episode, I’m joined by renowned Enneagram teacher, author, consultant, and Enneagram Two, Dr. Beatrice Chestnut Ph.D.  A student of the Enneagram system of personality since 1990, she is the author

Aug 31, 2017 • 51:23

Episode 8: Jeff Goins, Image Isn’t Everything (Enneagram 3)

Episode 8: Jeff Goins, Image Isn’t Everything (Enneagram 3)

In 1991, tennis superstar Andre Agassi appeared in a television ad for a camera called the Canon Rebel. On the set, the fashionably dressed Agassi steps out of a white Lamborghini sports car, lowers his ray bans halfway down the bridge of his nose, gazes cockily into the camera, and says, “Image is everything.”   I watched that old commercial on YouTube the other day and thought to myself, “Wow, that guy’s a poster child for all the not very self-aware Enneagram Threes in the world.” Enneagram T

Aug 24, 2017 • 1:06:14

Episode 7: Give Peace(makers) A Chance. A Panel of Four Enneagram 9's

Episode 7: Give Peace(makers) A Chance. A Panel of Four Enneagram 9's

I’m not kidding when I say Enneagram Nines (The Peacemakers) are well represented in my universe of relationships. My wife Anne is a Nine. My daughter Maddie is a Nine, and as you’ll soon learn, a disproportionate number of my friends are Nines as well. On this week’s show we decided to try something new. We invited not one but a panel of FOUR Enneagram Nines into the studio to describe what it’s like to be members of the Peacemaker tribe. Why host a panel? In my experience, people learn more ab

Aug 17, 2017 • 1:21:09

Episode 6: Enneagram 8 Melissa Greene, The Velvet Hammer

Episode 6: Enneagram 8 Melissa Greene, The Velvet Hammer

Enneagram Eights (The Challengers) are hard driving, tough, decisive, innovative, and resourceful people who make things happen. They’re larger than life presence and boundless energy instills confidence in others, and people follow them. As long as they’re a man, that is. Our culture reveres male Eights. People admire men who “kick ass and take names.” Sadly, we all know the word folks use to describe a woman who takes charge, stands up for what she believes, refuses to take crap from people

Aug 10, 2017 • 48:58

Episode 5: Lee C. Camp, An Enneagram 1's Journey toward Embracing Progress, Not Perfection

Episode 5: Lee C. Camp, An Enneagram 1's Journey toward Embracing Progress, Not Perfection

"Perfectionism is the voice of the oppressor, the enemy of the people,” writes author Anne Lamott in her beautiful book, Bird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life. Whether you struggle with perfectionism in general, or in just one or two areas of your life, you know how draining and torturous it can be. Are there ways to overcome the tyranny of perfectionism? Is it possible to quiet or tame the negative self-commentary of our inner critic? How can we stop harshly judging ourselves and

Aug 3, 2017 • 1:04:55

Episode 4: Tsh Oxenreider (Enneagram 4), The Art (and Angst) of Living an Unconventional Life

Episode 4: Tsh Oxenreider (Enneagram 4), The Art (and Angst) of Living an Unconventional Life

Most Enneagram teachers I know say Enneagram Nines are the least complicated of all numbers on the Enneagram, while Fours are the most complicated number on the Enneagram. With Fours, what you see is never what you get. There’s always layers and layers of stuff going on beneath their surface.   On today’s episode of Typology, I talk with popular blogger, podcaster, author, and fellow Enneagram Four, Tsh Oxenreider. This conversation is a blast and I think you’re going to love it. And you’re goin

Jul 27, 2017 • 45:08

Episode 3: Rabbi Evan Moffic (Enneagram 3), Shalom & Success

Episode 3: Rabbi Evan Moffic (Enneagram 3), Shalom & Success

Can you pursue a life of success and enjoy a growing sense of 'shalom'--the Hebrew word for a sense of inner harmony, wholeness, and ultimate well-being we all long to experience? Listen into my conversation with Rabbi Evan Moffic, a renowned author, Jewish scholar, and Enneagram Three (AKA The Performer). A high honors graduate of Stanford University and the youngest rabbi of a major Jewish congregation in the United States, Rabbi Moffic loves and uses the Enneagram to support his own journey t

Jul 20, 2017 • 59:01

Episode 2: Bob & Maria Goff, the Beautifully Imperfect Marriage of an Enneagram 9 & 7

Episode 2: Bob & Maria Goff, the Beautifully Imperfect Marriage of an Enneagram 9 & 7

Bob Goff is a 7. His wife, Maria, is a 9. This is an episode about how two very different types can love and compliment each other. We learned a lot about 7’s on last week’s episode with Rob Bell, and while we’ll dig more into the 7 as we talk to Bob, we’re going to get a great understanding of the 9 as Maria joins today’s conversation.    Be sure and check out Bob’s book, Love Does, and Maria’s new book, Love Lives Here.   Also, check out Dream Big Framework to learn about Bob’s upcoming work

Jul 13, 2017 • 53:11

Episode 1: Rob Bell (Enneagram 7), Author, Speaker & Gracious Provocateur

Episode 1: Rob Bell (Enneagram 7), Author, Speaker & Gracious Provocateur

When I launched this podcast, I knew Rob Bell had to be my first guest. Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you’ll discover while listening to this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing."   Check out Rob’s latest book, What Is the Bible?, and visit RobBell.com for speaking dates and other events. To keep up with what we’re doing at Typology, visit TypologyPodcast.com, or follow us on Twitter, Instagram a

Jul 6, 2017 • 52:17

Introducing Typology & the Enneagram

Introducing Typology & the Enneagram

Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How does the lens through which we see the world shape the way we live our lives?   Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker, and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with recognized Enneagram teachers, bestselling authors, psychologists, theologians, artists, b

Jun 29, 2017 • 6:21

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