Today Lily wants to take a more radical turn on this season’s topic, and share her conversation with renowned political commentator and Author, Douglas Murray. He has written several best selling books - such as The Madness of Crowds, and his most recent book, The War on the West and has been critical of our culture’s increasing focus on gender and race as a way to understand our history and ourselves - which he believes to be dividing our society.Is it possible to recognise the issues of race, gender, class and how they connect with inequities today - whilst not fuelling further division in society - but rather focusing on solutions towards the fairer world so many of us want to see?Who Cares Wins will be back in 2 weeks where we present the stories of some extraordinary women. In the meantime, we’ll leave you feeling hopeful and inspired with weekly drops of Reasons to Be Optimistic. See you then.CreditsProducer: Kelsey Bennett Audio Editor: Ryan NileMusic by Cosmo SheldrakeArtwork: Bethan Sherwood