John Swab could have been a real world version of the characters from his films who are casualties of addiction and criminality. But his desire to create art and his natural talents won out and set him on the road to recovery. John tells Marc how he channeled his experiences into his films Run with the Hunted and Body Brokers while remaining a true independent filmmaker. They also talk about John’s life in Tulsa, Oklahoma, the influence of Larry Clark, and their shared love of Sam Peckinpah. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.