After spending a decade in and out of jail, reformed drug dealer Lukas Williams walked out of prison for the last time in 2011. Swapping the criminal world for academia, Lukas is now helping people heal. In this episode, Lukas talks to Gary Jubelin about the moment he met the Northern Territory community rocked by the Zachary Rolfe police shooting in 2019, which killed Kumanjayi Walker. This episode of I Catch Killers discusses self harm. If this raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 13 11 14.   Get episodes of I Catch Killers a week early and ad-free, as well as bonus content, by subscribing to Crime X+ today. Like the show? Get more at icatchkillers.com.au Advertising enquiries: newspodcastssold@news.com.au  Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au  Get in touch with the show by joining our Facebook group, and visiting us on Instagram or Tiktok.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.