So if you're doing something where they're feeling engaged with that fun, I think it's a better experience for people to bond with a cat." This episode is sponsored in part by CARE, Doobert, and Maddie's Fund. In this episode, Mario Abore returns to the show (he previously appeared on CCP Episode 338). Since 2014, Mario, through his company, Square Paws, has been creating stunning and unique creations and habitats for cats and people to enjoy. His work spans a range from making single cat towers to outfitting cat cafes and animal shelters. In his conversation with Stacy, Mario provides an update on some of his new projects, including his incredible work with the Ladew Cat Sanctuary in Oyster Bay, New York. He discusses the inspiration behind this project, as well as the designing and construction process of this and some of his other projects. He and Stacy also have an in-depth conversation about TNR, including a discussion about different traps, techniques, and baits. Sterling also shares his approach to trapping colonies and emphasizes that even if you're trapping just one cat, you're still helping. His primary goal with TNR is to elevate the wellness of the cats in the community and to be able to provide resources to help those cats. Mario provides recommendations for older shelters and rescues that are looking to upgrade their facilities and emphasizes the importance of planning now. He discusses the longevity and lifespan of cat furniture and projects and notes the importance of using sustainable materials. Mario also points out some of the things you should be looking for when shopping for cat furniture. To learn more about Mario's work, visit the Square Paws website. You can also check out their Instagram and Twitter pages. If you enjoyed this episode, check out our interview with Ashley Shoults, a principal at Animal Arts, an architecture firm in Boulder, Colorado in episode 359.