Season 3 of I Catch Killers is coming soon. Before then we have some bonus episodes for you. This is part 1 of Gary's appearance on a podcast called Instructions Sold Separately which is produced by the team at Swiss 8. We'll publish part 2 of the chat next week. Search for Swiss 8 Instructions Sold Separately to find out more about this podcast. Swiss 8 is a health promotion charity, founded by Australian Combat Veterans. Their core focus is building digital interventions to adjustment disorder, anxiety and depression. The Swiss 8 app gives users the tools to build a routine around 8 pillars of health and lifestyle. In turn reducing anxiety and helping them become more focused, motivated and ready to excel at life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.