In Episode 4 of The Income Show, Joe sits down with Jakob Schillinger, CEO of Hermetica, a self-custodial Bitcoin yield product built for earning BTC-denominated returns while keeping your position on-chain and transparent. Together they explore the future of money, the evolution of fixed income, and why digital credit represents one of the largest untapped markets in finance. The conversation digs into what separates a durable yield product from the failures of past cycles, covering transparency, institutional-grade risk controls, the importance of low volatility, and the lessons being absorbed from recent DeFi exploits. Jakob and Joe also unpack Hermetica's infrastructure, its path to multi billion dollar scale, and how simplification, not complexity, is the foundation of higher security. They close on the bigger picture: Bitcoin's role as a world reserve asset, the intersection of AI and Bitcoin, and how a shifting interest rate regime will redefine the priorities of every digital credit issuer in the next cycle. Full video podcast on YouTube and https://tnorth.com