In this podcast episode, Amir Bormand sits down with Jason Luce, CTO of Paperless Parts, to discuss the evolution from DevOps to platform engineering. They dive deep into the reasons behind this shift, the cultural and technical changes required, and how organizations can implement platform engineering to enhance developer experience and business outcomes. Jason shares insights into the challenges and opportunities that come with adopting platform engineering, drawing from his experience leading the transformation at Paperless Parts. Whether you're leading a DevOps team or considering platform engineering for your organization, this episode is packed with practical advice and thought-provoking takeaways. Key Takeaways: Platform Engineering vs. DevOps: Platform engineering builds on DevOps principles but focuses on productizing systems to streamline developer workflows and reduce cognitive load. The Role of Developer Experience: Improving developer experience is key to increasing productivity and morale while reducing inefficiencies. Adopting Big Tech Practices: Lessons from companies like Netflix and Spotify can inform smaller organizations, but they must adapt these practices to their own scale and needs. The Importance of Consistency: Standardized systems and processes are critical for ensuring security, observability, and operational efficiency. Vision and Communication: Clear goals, a detailed roadmap, and open communication are essential for successful transitions to platform engineering. Timestamped Highlights: [00:01:00] Introduction to Jason Luce and Paperless Parts [00:03:00] What is Platform Engineering, and how does it differ from DevOps? [00:05:49] The skills gap: Moving from DevOps to platform engineering [00:07:58] The role of developer experience in platform engineering [00:10:17] Lessons from large-scale tech companies on platform adoption [00:14:42] Transitioning from a startup mindset to scalable engineering practices [00:18:09] What prompted Paperless Parts to embrace platform engineering? [00:20:47] Best practices and learnings from a year into the transition [00:23:14] The end goal: Building a scalable, efficient platform for the future Jason also discusses the importance of balancing short-term sacrifices for long-term gains and why fostering a culture of collaboration and clarity is critical for success. Don't miss this episode if you're looking to understand how platform engineering can transform your organization! Guest: Jason Luce has a proven track record as a customer-centric technology executive with over twenty-five years of experience building products that drive business success. He spent the first half of his career as a hands-on engineer and grew into leadership roles as he discovered a love for developing talent. Jason is currently CTO at Paperless Parts. Jason has driven results through many phases of scale journeys from pre-revenue startups to high-growth VC-backed companies to global public companies. At the core of each of these journeys is his ability to build global teams, develop strong leaders, and lead highly efficient operations that enable the rapid delivery of large-scale SaaS products. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonrluce/