In this episode Dave Lund, CEO of FlowRate, discusses the emerging concept of yield in the Lightning Network. Dave shares his background in the Bitcoin space and explains how FlowRate aims to bridge the gap between traditional treasury management and the Lightning ecosystem. He emphasizes the importance of liquidity leasing and routing fees as potential yield strategies for Bitcoin treasury companies, highlighting the need for businesses to adapt to this new financial landscape. The conversation explores the challenges and opportunities that come with operating on the Lightning Network, particularly for institutional players looking to maximize their Bitcoin holdings.Dave also elaborates on the significance of network topology in the Lightning ecosystem, explaining how a well-positioned node can enhance yield potential. He also addresses the security concerns that treasuries face when deploying Bitcoin on Lightning, advocating for improved security measures such as multi-signature solutions. Dave predicts that liquidity leasing could eventually replace the traditional bond market, positioning Bitcoin as a viable fixed-income asset.Takeaways:🔸Dave Lund emphasizes the potential of Lightning as the new telecom industry.🔸Treasury companies are seen as key players in deploying capital on Lightning.🔸Liquidity leasing is highlighted as a reliable yield strategy.🔸Topology is crucial for effective Lightning operations.🔸The conversation compares Lightning yield to traditional bond markets.🔸Dave Lund discusses the challenges of security in Lightning deployments.🔸FlowRate aims to simplify Lightning onboarding for businesses.🔸The episode explores the evolving landscape of Bitcoin yield strategies.🔸Dave Lund predicts liquidity leasing could replace the bond market.🔸The importance of starting early in Lightning operations is stressed.Timestamps:(00:00) - Intro(01:14) - Who is Dave Lund?(02:44) - What is FlowRate?; Basic building blocks of ‘Yield on Lightning Network’(06:31) - Dave’s view on Bitcoin Treasury Companies; ‘Yield per deployed sat’(10:23) - Real world examples of yield from Lightning Network - Cash App, LQWD Tech(15:22) - What are the possible challenges and opportunities in Lightning deployment?(18:46) - What does FlowRate offer? (22:54) - How can BTCTC benefit from the yield generation via Lightning?(25:37) - What are the costs involved to operate the Lightning yield profitably? (32:56) - Lightning Network topology and its impact on lightning efficiency(38:02) - Will the customers of FlowRate have their own Lightning node?(41:59) - The importance of security in managing Bitcoin(45:05) - Who can benefit from FlowRate? (47:41) - Closing thoughts Links: https://www.flowrate.com/ Stephan Livera links:Follow me on X: @stephanliveraSubscribe to the podcastSubscribe to Substack