In PlanningxChange Episode 81, Jess Noonan and Peter Jewell interview Marshall Sullivan a private planning consultant based in regional Victoria. Marshall came up 'through the ranks' of local government starting as an enforcer officer and ending as a senior manager. Now he runs his own very prosperous planning consultancy based in Geelong and the Surf Coast. Marshall discusses his journey through local government and the support he received through mentoring. He talks of the skills he learnt in dealing with the public and developers alike whilst also fitting in with what at times can be very political local Councils. He talks of the Importance of new ideas in planning policy and the need to encourage new ways. One of his motto's 'you don't know what you don't know' - best to keep an open mind. Marshall talks of the transition and associated surprises going from government to private practice. His answer to the question: 'what has been your most eventful site inspection?' Is sure to raise a laugh. A thoughtful and clear speaking view of a planner's life. Audio production by Jack Bavage. The episode was recorded in mid February 2021 and released on 25 July 2021. Due to an error in editing, a second version was released 15 August 2021.