Carter Malkasian, chair of the Defense Analysis Department at the Naval Postgraduate School and contributor to New Makers of Modern Strategy, joins the show to talk about counterterrorism and counterinsurgency since 9/11.▪️Times     •    01:39 Introduction     •    02:01 From academia to Garmsir     •    03:48 Center for Naval Analysis     •    05:45 Two faces of the same coin    •    08:51 Counterterrorism vs counterinsurgency     •    13:00 McChrystal and Petraeus    •    16:29 Types of insurgency     •    20:34 The Sunni Awakening and the Surge    •    24:32 Two different wars    •    30:51 Gilding the lily     •    37:46 The Obama Administration    •    41:42 ISIS    •    44:45 Withdrawal deadlineFollow along on Instagram