If we can open our eyes and look in the mirror of the world, we can open ourselves to the InterBeing  that allows Active Hope as we face the chaos of our world.  In this interview, Della Duncan, Renegade economist, host of the Upstream podcast, and practitioner of Joanna Macy's Work that Reconnects, explores the ways to a sustainable and equitable future. Podcaster, economist, and spiritual activist, Della Duncan is deeply integrated in the movement for human and planetary change.  In this deep-diving conversation, we explore what it is to 'InterBe' such that we can take our place fully in the web of consciousness.  Drawing deeply on her own experience, Della explores the ceremonies that we can undertake to help us shift our consciousness to reach a place where we can open our eyes and see ourselves in the mirror of the world. As someone who has trained directly and intensively with Joanna Macy, Della teaches widely the Work that Reconnects and seeks to apply the sense of turning towards the world in every moment of life.  We discuss the ways that reframing the economy can be a bridge between those seeking systemic social change and those engaged in spiritual activism, look at the 'Upstream' metaphor and how finding the source of malaise is as important as rescuing those who are being damaged by our current system. Within the framework of the Three Pillars of the Great Turning: Holding Actions; Systemic Change; and Shifting Consciousness, through the dynamics of systemic change and the leverage points of change, Della lays out the ways we can move towards equity, sustainability and a life well lived. Della's website: https://www.dellazduncan.comThe Upstream podcast website: https://www.upstreampodcast.orgA view into Joanna Macy's Three Pillars of the Great Turning http://beamsandstruts.com/bits-a-pieces/item/980-joanna-macy-and-the-three-pillars-of-the-great-turningMari Kondo's website https://konmari.comMarianne Williamson website: https://marianne.comKen Wilbur's quadrants: https://integrallife.com/four-quadrants/