In this episode, Adam Jacob, CEO and co-founder of System Initiative, joins the podcast to discuss the reasons behind less than ideal results in DevOps. He explains the failure rates and highlights important insights to look for in reports. Adam also discusses the second wave of DevOps tools and their impact. The conversation delves into the work of System Initiative. This company has reimagined the workflow for DevOps work by creating a collaborative power tool that removes the challenges faced in current DevOps practices. The goal is to enhance collaboration, shorten feedback loops, and create high-fidelity models while allowing for higher-level abstractions. Highlights [00:00:23] Rethinking DevOps workflow. [00:03:46] Ideal implementation of DevOps. [00:08:35] Collaboration in remote culture. [00:10:19] Collaboration in remote work. [00:14:35] What's wrong with our DevOps outcomes? [00:17:46] Lead time for cloud infrastructure. [00:21:19] Transparency and collaboration. [00:24:08] Collaboration and complexity in deployments. [00:27:14] Second wave of DevOps. [00:31:18] Second wave DevOps and change. [00:36:02] Building something better than mediocrity. [00:38:03] Building new deployment automation scripting language. [00:41:15] Fixing Bad Outcomes. Guest: Adam Jacob is an engineering and product innovator with decades of experience designing, building, and managing large production systems. He is the CEO, Chairman, and Co-founder of System Initiative. Adam previously co-founded Chef Software was the original author of Chef, served as CTO, and was on the board of directors. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjacob/ --- Thank you so much for checking out this episode of The Tech Trek, and we would appreciate it if you would take a minute to rate and review us on your favorite podcast player. Want to learn more about us? Head over at https://www.elevano.com Have questions or want to cover specific topics with our future guests? Please message me at https://www.linkedin.com/in/amirbormand (Amir Bormand)