In the past century, there have been a number of court cases where religious folks have attempted to inject their beliefs into the public schools. But two cases are more noteworthy than most, and bookend the long battle between science and creationism in the classroom. These two trials, The State of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes, and Kitzmiller v. The Dover Area School Board are important milestones -- not only in American jurisprudence, but also in American public education. In this episode, Jim speaks with the former Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, Eugenie Scott. Genie has been on the frontlines for decades trying to keep public school science classes free of religious beliefs being taught in the guise of science.