Before jumping into the subject of Patrick's book, Robert and Patrick get to know each other by discussing when and how Patrick developed his passion for cars (0:24) and the start of Patrick's automobile concept art collection (4:44). The two men begin discussing some of the photos in Patrick's book showing what design studios were like for cars at the beginning, many of which were donated by GM and Art Center in Pasadena (7:03), before discussing the design process more in depth (8:20) and considering the legacy of a leading female designer, Joan Creamer (11:00). After a quick break, Robert asks Patrick to detail the evolution of design as revealed in his book and the men and women who led the drive (12:19), how the Mustang was a uniquely designed car for the time (16:38), and how impactful Art Center was in the history of automotive design (18:36). Robert then asks Patrick to go on a deep dive of names and designs that are important to him, many of whom didn't know their work was still extant, and how his purpose of collecting this work changed when he met them in person (21:39). Then the two men discuss how car design has become less experimental and adventurous over time and what kind of future design has (27:50) before Robert asks his infamous 'any three car' question (31:34). Learn more about Patrick G. Kelley: automobileconceptart.com https://www.amazon.com/IMAGINE-Automobile-Concept-1930s-1980s/dp/1854433075 https://www.daltonwatson.com/ Learn more about the show: Cars That Matter Follow Us: Twitter | Facebook | Instagram Hosted by: Robert Ross Guest: Patrick G. Kelley Produced by: Chris Porter Sound Engineer: Michael Kennedy Theme Music by: Celleste and Eric Dick A CurtCo Media Production  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.