Imrich "Imo" Bábics is Chief Growth and CMO at Relai, the Swiss Bitcoin-only app that's become Europe's fastest-growing fintech with over 500K downloads and $1 billion in trading volume.› https://relai.me/bramPARTNERS🌳 Gain peace of mind with Onramp’s Multi-Institution Custody solution. Sign up with code BRAM to receive $150 in Bitcoin after your first deposit: https://onrampbitcoin.com/bram🟧 Gemini’s Bitcoin Credit Card: Earn instant bitcoin rewards on every purchase with no annual fee. Sign up today to earn a $200 intro Bitcoin bonus: https://gemini.com/bram🔐 Blockstream Jade Plus: The simplest and most secure hardware wallet on the planet - Get 10% off your entire order with code BRAM at https://store.blockstream.com🔨 Stamp Seed: The safest way to backup your hardware wallet - Get 15% off with code BRAM at https://stampseed.comPRODUCTS I ENDORSE› Get 10% off a Bitaxe open-source Bitcoin home miner using code BRAM at https://shop.powermining.io/?ref=BRAM› Buy Bitcoin in the EU 🇪🇺 via https://relai.me/bram and use code BRAM to reduce fees by 0.5%🔔 SUBSCRIBE TO GET NOTIFIED› https://youtube.com/@bramk⁠⁠› https://x.com/bramk🕑 TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Introduction to Immo Babic and Relay00:53 - Immo's Journey into Bitcoin and Crypto03:45 - The Evolution of Bitcoin's Perception08:02 - Understanding Bitcoin vs. Crypto Gambling10:58 - The Role of Education in Bitcoin Adoption14:05 - Bitcoin's Place in the Financial System18:03 - Building a Bitcoin-Only Company20:54 - Self-Custody and User Responsibility25:07 - The Future of Banking and Bitcoin Integration39:27 - Embracing Change in the Financial Landscape48:18 - Cultural Differences in Investment Mindsets01:00:06 - The Role of Regulation in Bitcoin Adoption01:08:16 - Personal Growth Through the Bitcoin Journeyℹ️ EPISODE SUMMARYBram Kanstein and Imo Bábics discuss Imo’s journey into Bitcoin—starting in 2017, getting wrecked, and slowly building the kind of conviction that lasts. He shares lessons from working at both Bitpanda and Relay, and how his perspective shifted from short-term trading to long-term saving. They explore the tension of growing a Bitcoin-only business in a crypto-driven world, why trust is everything in this space, and how banks are already—sometimes unknowingly—accelerating Bitcoin adoption. Imo also dives into the role of regulation in Europe and why clarity is critical for serious builders. This is a conversation about mindset, conviction, and what Bitcoin teaches you after the hype fades.