Dillan interviews Chris Orzechowski.Chris runs The Email Copywriter. He's a world-class emailer, direct response marketer, and the #1 kielbasa salesman on the planet. He’s helped e-commerce brands, creators, and consultants generate millions through storytelling and email content writing.They discuss: how to sell to your audience without being sleazy, building an audience of buyers and #1 fans, the real reason most creators fail, what separates amateurs from pros, how to build systems that print money, and much more.•••Chris's links...Website: https://theemailcopywriter.com/Twitter / X: https://x.com/chrisorzyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@chris-orzy•••Follow Dillan on the interwebs...Twitter / X: https://x.com/dillanroytaylor Newsletter: https://grindstone.coach/newsletterApply for Grindstone Coaching: https://www.grindstone.coach/Music by myboy.scoochy: https://www.instagram.com/myboy.scoochy/ •••0:00 Intro0:37 Being different vs being better7:17 Why most people give up14:18 Pros vs amateurs29:12 Be the architect of your life/business39:51 Why start an email list?49:00 How to get your first 100 email subscribers51:57 Using ads to get subscribers53:59 What makes a good vs crappy lead magnet?56:07 Common emailing mistakes1:03:14 What's getting easier / harder?1:05:59 #1 lesson Chris learned the hard way1:08:04 Chris’s hot take on content1:09:48 Chri's favorite creator1:13:35 What Chris sacrificed to grow his business1:16:50 Chris’s advice for new creators1:19:23 Bye bye bye