For this bonus episode, Lily spoke to the physicist and best selling author Carlo Rovelli, about the more fundamental questions: what is reality and how much do we understand it? In this intriguing discussion of consciousness, climate science, quantum physics and doubt, the possibilities widen ahead of us. Some of Carlo’s books relevant to this discussion:Seven Brief Lessons on PhysicsReality Is Not What It SeemsThere Are Places in the World Where Rules Are Less Important Than KindnessHelgolandFor updates on Who Cares Wins, please check out our social channels:@impossible @lilycole@whocares.winsMusic featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.