In this conversation, Stephan Livera and James O'Beirne discuss the implications of quantum computing on Bitcoin, exploring skepticism towards the perceived threats, the current state of quantum research, and the potential responses from Bitcoin developers. They delve into proposed solutions, the role of institutions like NIST, and the challenges of Bitcoin protocol development. The discussion also touches on user experience, self-custody, and the future of Bitcoin adoption amidst evolving technological landscapes.Takeaways:🔸Quantum computing poses theoretical risks to Bitcoin, but practical threats are far off.🔸Skepticism about quantum computing's immediate impact is prevalent among experts.🔸Bitcoin developers have more pressing issues to address than quantum threats.🔸Proposed solutions like BIP 360 could enhance Bitcoin's security regardless of quantum risks.🔸NIST's push for post-quantum cryptography raises concerns about government influence.🔸The academic and business interests in quantum computing may hype its urgency.🔸Bitcoin's protocol development faces challenges due to a lack of strong leadership.🔸User experience is crucial for Bitcoin adoption and self-custody.🔸The future of Bitcoin may depend on how well it adapts to user needs and technological changes.🔸Bitcoin remains a unique solution to fiat debasement and economic instability.Timestamps:(00:00) - Intro(00:46) - What is the deal with quantum computing and Bitcoin?(05:05) - Advancing progress in quantum computing(09:43) - Is the quantum threat to Bitcoin around the corner? (11:57) - Quantum resistant schemes developed by Bitcoiners(15:45) - NIST and diverse views on Post-quantum cryptography(22:31) - The future of Bitcoin in a Post-quantum world(29:45) - 'Matt Corallo Quantum Plan'(34:08) - A modest version of the Big Blocker view(38:41) - Covenants and Scaling Bitcoin(43:35) - Comparing OP_TEMPLATEHASH & OP_CTV(48:01) - The ‘Slow and Steady’ approach to Bitcoin development(55:19) - What’s the next adoption pathway for Bitcoin?(1:04:04) - AssumeUTXO, Utreexo & Floresta(1:07:20) - Why are so few people running Bitcoin nodes?(1:14:52) - Closing thoughts Links: https://x.com/jamesob https://ctv-csfs.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Qs31E80cA Stephan Livera links:Follow me on X: @stephanliveraSubscribe to the podcastSubscribe to Substack