The fifth episode of Conversations Late at Night takes a meandering, but deep, journey through the recent work of artists Cody Ellingham and Simon James French. In this episode we hear a new track from SJF and talk about original DERIVE and how it was affected by COVID.  And please remember Cody's quote from this week: "A good creative life is like Mediterranean food; it's just basic ingredients put together well."  ••• Links to a few of the things we talk about in this episode. Be curious: Wander the Night Glimmers [new track from SJF] The Soundscapes of Shanghai Benjamin Bardou Austin Kleon Brain Pickings Seth Godin's Newsletter ※ All music, unless otherwise stated, was composed by SJF. If you like the podcast and would like to support it, please share it with a loved one. SJF's Patreon • Cody's Patreon Ask questions or let us know what you think in our Signal group.