"With the shift towards this multi-agent collaboration and orchestration world, you need a neutral substrate that has money, identity, cryptography, and web-of-trust  baked in, to make everything work." Pablo & Gigi are getting high on glue nostr.   Books and articles mentioned: Saving beauty by Byung-Chul Han LLMs as a tool for thought by Amelia Wattenberger In this dialogue: vibeline & vibeline-ui LLMs as tools, and how to use them Vervaeke: AI thresholds & the path we must take Hallucinations and grounding in reality GPL, LLMs, and open-source licensing Pablo's multi-agent Roo setup Are we going to make programmers obsolete? "When it works it's amazing" Hiring & training agents Agents creating RAG databases of NIPs Different models and their context windows Generalists vs specialists "Write drunk, edit sober" DVMCP.fun Recklessness and destruction of vibe-coding  Sharing secrets with agents & LLMs