JJJJJerome Ellis talks with Maya and Cynthia about the intersections of being a black person who stutters and a musician, how his views of his disability evolved since childhood, and why it was so important for him to connect his stutter to his ancestral history of slavery in his work. He also highlights how the stage is a safe space for stuttering and music is a source of healing the pain he experienced as a child.“Growing up I felt so much of the pain and also the beauty of the stutter. Over time I’ve come to feel the stutter alters time, and music is another way that we can alter time. Part of what I was trying to do with The Clearing is to try to undo some of the things that have been told to me about stuttering and to transform the stuttering narrative through poetry, music, history, and philosophy.”Other topics include:Stuttering easily with animalsIntersectionalityPain in not being able to connect with peopleThe stage as a safe space Comparing stuttering to being frozen in timeMusic as a source of healingBeing at odds with languagePoetry allows for so much freedom to explore languageGetting through interviews with a stutterLINKS FROM THE EPISODE:Jerome’s album The ClearingJerome’s accompanying book to The ClearingThe Guardian article, Artist and stutterer JJJJJerome Ellis: ‘So much pain comes from not feeling fully human’More about the collaboration between James Harrison Monaco and Jerome EllisPerformance at the Metropolitan Museum of Modern ArtBrittany Cooper’s Racial Politics of Time TED TalkJoshua St. Pierre, Canada Research Chair in Critical Disability StudiesJerome's upcoming live performances:April 10, 2022: Rewire Festival in The Hague, NetherlandsMay 7, 2022: XJAZZ! Festival in Berlin, GermanyJuly 2022: Performances at Haus Der Kunst in Munich, GermanyBE PART OF THE SHOW:Rate this pod: https://ratethispodcast.com/proudstutterHave a question or comment - Leave a voicemail for Maya & Cynthia at (415) 964-0140 - this is a voicemail-only line, so we promise you won't have to talk to someone in person!Be a guest on the show - we would love to talk with you! Send us an email at: info@proudsutter.comFOLLOW PROUD STUTTER & ITS CREATORS:Maya’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mayasharonaMaya’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/MayaSharonaCynthia’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/cynthstaPodcast website - www.proudstutter.comSupport us:Donate: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/proudstutterBuy cute merch: https://www.proudstutter.com/shopShare Proud Stutter with your friends: https://pod.link/1588336626Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/proud-stutter/exclusive-contentAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy