Where did it all go wrong? This week, Lily addresses a paradox in the environmental movement - affordability. Is our economy structured in a way that makes being environmental prohibitively expensive? Or are the wealthy creating most of the emissions? How do we afford sustainability and can we afford not to? Speaking to a plethora of intellectuals, Lily explores the connections between equality and the environment - and looks at political solutions that seek to ally environmental sustainability with social justice. Lily speaks with the economist who has spent decades pushing forward a Universal Basic Income, Professor Guy Standing, co-founder of the Economic Security Project Natalie Foster and Mayor Tubbs who is leading a trial UBI project in California. This episode also includes writer Alison Stine, advocate of carbon pricing Elon Musk and anthropologist James Suzman who discusses the origins of inequality. As ever, Lily creates a space of discussion and discovery, encouraging us to seek optimism in the solutions that exist. You can hear more from Guy Standing, Mayor Tubbs, Natalie Foster, James Suzman and many others in Lily's book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now:Waterstones: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHAudible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UHApple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvMPlease find a reading list from our featured guests:Alison Stine - Road Out Of Winter https://www.harlequintradepublishing.com/shop/books/9780778309925_the-growers-tale.htmlJames Suzman - Work: A history of how we spend our time. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Work-History-How-Spend-Time/dp/152660499XGuy Standing - Battling Eight Giants https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/battling-eight-giants-9780755600632/Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.