"You're yelling at someone who is lying to you."
Pablo & Gigi take a drive. Recorded December 2025.
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Projects & tech mentioned:
TENEX (multi-agent coordination on Nostr)
NDK (Nostr Development Kit)
NDK Swift & NDK Kotlin (native ports of NDK, vibe-coded)
nostrdb (embedded Nostr database)
Negentropy / NIP-77 (efficient event sync)
NIP-60 (Cashu wallets on Nostr)
Vercel AI SDK (multi-provider LLM abstraction)
Notedeck & Nostur
Olas (rebuilt with TENEX agents)
In this dialogue:
Bitcoiners in cars getting coffee: recording from the sun visor, Seinfeld style
TENEX rewritten "about a hundred times," now in TypeScript on Vercel AI SDK
The pain of supporting every LLM provider: Gemini returns encrypted reasoning tokens, every API has different subtleties
Removing structure to improve performance: deleting 80% of agent code makes agents work better
Agents defining their own workflow phases instead of having phases imposed on them
Composable workflows: the CEO agent doesn't need to know what the engineering director's workflow looks like
The parallel to human organizations: you can't hold all the information in your own mind
John Vervaeke and the idea that dialogue is how you solve the really hard problems
Participatory knowing: you don't understand Bitcoin until you actually use it
Agent wallets removed because "there was nothing for them to actually buy" -- a commune with no walls
$700/month running Opus for everything, replacing "like fucking 30 people"
Context windows are a non-issue when the hierarchy is deep enough: each atomic agent finishes fast
Henry Ford's insight applied to agents: each worker does an incredibly stupid task that takes five minutes
Agents are bad at self-correction, so they delegate competing implementations in disposable work trees, then compare notes
Confidence scores: the delegating agent monitors every 5-10 messages, checks if the sub-agent is going off the rails
"Once they are conv
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