Activist, author, teacher and healer Michelle Cassandra Johnson joins Tracee Stanley for a pertinent and poignant conversation on grief and healing. Michelle discusses her upcoming book Finding Refuge: Heart Work for Healing Collective Grief and her definition of collective grief. Michelle and Tracee talk through the presence of exhaustion in activist spaces in this past year following immense trauma. They also consider how to be in community to imagine hope and what is possible, and the radical gift of dreaming. They explore losing the illusion of control, and rituals for grief. Join them for a discussion on liberation in a time of deep mourning, making room for optimism and hope.