From catching killers to preventing terror attacks, Dr Dave Gawel spent decades protecting Australia. If nothing happened, he was doing his job. In this episode, the counter terrorism expert joins Gary Jubelin to discuss radicalisation, recruitment, how experts manage threats in real time, and the intense pressures faced in the fight against terrorism.    Can’t get enough of I Catch Killers? Stay up to date on all the latest crime news at The Daily Telegraph. Get episodes of I Catch Killers a week early and ad-free, as well as bonus content, by subscribing to Crime X+ today. Like the show? Get more at icatchkillers.com.au Advertising enquiries: newspodcastssold@news.com.au  Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au  Get in touch with the show by joining our Facebook group, and visiting us on Instagram or Tiktok.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.