Reframeables

Reframeables

Rebecca & Natalie Davey

Do you feel alone in your own head when it comes to navigating life’s big and small problems? Do you find self-care language a little too self-focused but know you still need to do the work? Join us on Reframeables and eavesdrop your way into some new perspectives — we promise you'll feel less alone as you listen. We are Nat and Bec, two very different sisters who come together each week to reframe some of life's big and small stuff. Nat's a PhD whose favourite phrase is “let’s reframe that!” Bec's an artist who tends more toward “why me?” Through...

Reframing Resilience with Gill Deacon

Reframing Resilience with Gill Deacon

Nat did the morning drive before the age of podcasts, and a voice that kept her sane on the road for all those years was the CBC's very own Gill Deacon — the next guest in our series where we reframe resilience. With Gill, we discuss resilience from a number of angles: her health challenges over the years with breast cancer and long COVID, and how she used writing to help her reframe along the way. We also talk about her new Substack and podcast projects, and the many ways in which she's come to

Feb 26, • 49:36

Reframing Resilience with Dr. Poppy Gibson

Reframing Resilience with Dr. Poppy Gibson

We continue reframing resilience with Dr. Poppy Gibson, a lecturer in education whose key interests involve children’s psychological development and mental health, and wellbeing in education. Nat had actually previously met Poppy when writing for a journal that she edits, and after doing some digging found out some really significant similarities! We talk about how both Nat and Poppy almost died, and Poppy’s children’s book about how to talk about death with kids. All kinds of trauma are navigat

Feb 5, • 41:25

Reframing Resilience with Laurie May of Elevation Pictures

Reframing Resilience with Laurie May of Elevation Pictures

Many famous people have been through the doors of Laurie May, co-founder and president of Elevation Pictures, one of Toronto Life's most influential Torontonians, and this episode's guest. We talked about our mothers and our own experiences of motherhood, what it means to be resilient in the face of hard business decisions as a woman in leadership, manifesting gratitude, and, of course, some celebrities. We could have kept going, to be honest!We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice

Jan 22, • 47:36

Reframing Resilience with Jenn Harper of Cheekbone Beauty

Reframing Resilience with Jenn Harper of Cheekbone Beauty

Reframeables returns with a new six-episode series on female-focused resilience! Our first guest is Jenn Harper, the founder and CEO of Cheekbone Beauty — a cosmetics company which aims to help every Indigenous person see and feel their value in the world while developing sustainable colour cosmetics that won’t end up in a landfill. Jenn has been featured as Chatelaine’s Woman of the Year in 2019 and was on Canadian Business’ New Innovators list and Entrepreneur Magazine’s Woman of Influence lis

Dec 19, 2024 • 40:00

Reframing Mental Health in Times of Crisis with Niomi Cherney

Reframing Mental Health in Times of Crisis with Niomi Cherney

We often have conversations with folks who have written books. In this episode of Reframeables, Nat has a thoughtful conversation with child therapist Niomi Cherney, who’s in the midst of drafting her very own book on how to talk to loved ones with opposing viewpoints — think Trump supporter at one end of the table, and leftist liberal at the other. Essentially, this episode is their attempt to reframe mental health in times of crisis — or what it means to survive and thrive in difficult times.

Jun 19, 2024 • 38:56

Reframing Cancel Culture with Tony Berardo

Reframing Cancel Culture with Tony Berardo

This was a conversation that we almost cancelled — but luckily didn't! This week, we're talking with fellow podcaster Tony Berardo of Humanity and Hashtags. It was a cool exercise in doing the opposite of cancelling, turning out to be a real pushing through of trying something new. In our conversation with Tony, we talk about gender and podcasting, the learning that comes from conversation with others who we don't necessarily agree with, and what it means to parent in the digital age. We butt he

May 22, 2024 • 53:41

Reframing the Art of the Interview with Poet & Novelist Canisia Lubrin

Reframing the Art of the Interview with Poet & Novelist Canisia Lubrin

For this episode of Reframeables, we had the opportunity to speak with award-winning poet and novelist Canisia Lubrin about her new book Code Noir. After the interview, she sent the Reframeables duo an email, calling us both badass and tender, which is probably the best compliment we’ve ever been given — so there’s that. For context about her book, in 1685 France’s King Louis XIV passed a decree consisting of 59 articles meant to govern not only chattel slavery but Black subjecthood throughout F

Apr 17, 2024 • 47:19

Reframing the Productivity Narrative with the Sneaky Artist Nishant Jain

Reframing the Productivity Narrative with the Sneaky Artist Nishant Jain

We are reframing the productivity narrative with Instagram and Substack-famous sketch artist Nishant Jain — otherwise known as the Sneaky Artist. Nishant trained as an engineer, almost got his PhD, and then switched tracks to make art in public — sneakily. Now his full-time gig is sketching with a recognizable yellow fountain pen so that he can’t erase anything — he’s very committed to the line. And if you’re ever in Vancouver, you might just happen upon one of his drawings left behind in a café

Mar 20, 2024 • 58:04

Reframing Rage with Kathryn Mockler

Reframing Rage with Kathryn Mockler

On this episode of Reframeables, we are reframing rage with author Kathryn Mockler. She spoke with us about the despair of writing and editing climate justice work, and how she’s moved forward from rage and exchanged hurt for the earth for human connection. She calls it ‘post-hope,’ though instead of ‘hope,’ her preferred word is ‘possibility’ — a possibility for shared concerns in community, be it in her writing or in her teaching.Kathryn Mockler is a writer, screenwriter, experimental filmmake

Feb 21, 2024 • 49:08

Reframing Truth-Telling Through Fiction with Claudia Dey

Reframing Truth-Telling Through Fiction with Claudia Dey

This week, we are reframing fiction as truth-telling with novelist, playwright, and clothing line creator Claudia Dey. You’ll hear our conversation filled with so many truths born of fiction, creating constraints to create, and the companionship of language. We talk about Claudia’s newest novel Daughter, and Hamlet, and theatre school memories of Claudia’s play Trout Stanley. We also get into how we can’t waver from value systems in terms of what we put out in the world. For Claudia, that shows

Jan 17, 2024 • 49:40

Reframing Burnout with Emilie Aries

Reframing Burnout with Emilie Aries

Is reframing burnout even possible? According to Emilie Aries, the founder of Bossed Up, it is — sort of. Emilie is a speaker and author whose company is committed to closing the gender leadership gap. In this episode, you’ll hear our conversation about the systemic nature of burnout culture, particularly for women. We unpack “role overload,” try and take a really realistic look at boundary setting, and learn the difference between active and passive rest. These and other important ideas will su

Dec 20, 2023 • 46:40

Reframing Courtney Love: Fighting Gender Bias in Pop Culture with Lisa Whittington-Hill

Reframing Courtney Love: Fighting Gender Bias in Pop Culture with Lisa Whittington-Hill

This week on Reframeables, we spoke with author Lisa Whittington-Hill about her new book Girls, Interrupted: How Pop Culture is Failing Women. With Lisa, we jumped right in with a discussion about female rage, considered the failings of media for middle age women and teenage girls, and shared some nostalgic memories of Courtney Love — who Lisa has defended loudly enough to get her thrown out of parties. We are unhappy with the misogyny that is baked into pop culture and social media, but we are

Nov 15, 2023 • 45:45

Reframing Trauma Through Pop Culture with Jen Sookfong Lee

Reframing Trauma Through Pop Culture with Jen Sookfong Lee

Pop culture is supposed to be light — downright breezy. Or, as we discovered in our conversation with celebrated Canadian author Jen Sookfong Lee, it can be something more: a bridge to navigating the complexities of intergenerational trauma, reckoning with one’s place in the world, and, perhaps most poignantly, facing the self. We hope you are able to take Jen’s pop culture wisdom and use it to help you reframe some of your own self-work — we did!Jen Sookfong Lee describes herself as one who “wr

Oct 18, 2023 • 54:20

Reframing the Inside Joke with R. Eric Thomas

Reframing the Inside Joke with R. Eric Thomas

This week we are reframing pop culture as self-care (or reframing the inside joke) with author R. Eric Thomas. In a wonderfully meandering conversation we talked about faith, office cake, gardening, hiking up (and then running down) mountains, looking to Oprah as a way to prepare for big feelings, and using Chekhov for life metaphors. Finally, we landed on using pop culture references as bridges to help us connect with others. We really hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did.R. Eric

Sep 20, 2023 • 1:02:58

Reframing the Friendship Fail with Shasta Nelson

Reframing the Friendship Fail with Shasta Nelson

This week, we are reframing friendship — or more specifically, the friendship fail. To find out how a deep friendship has the potential to be rehabilitated, we talk with friendship expert Shasta Nelson, who has been called the Brené Brown of friendship. We talk about reframing loneliness, qualities every friendship needs, not downplaying our successes, and so much more. Listen for all the goods — your friendships will thank you.Shasta Nelson has been studying friendship, both personally and in t

Aug 23, 2023 • 53:24

Reframing Vegetarian Eating with Alicia Kennedy

Reframing Vegetarian Eating with Alicia Kennedy

This week, we are reframing vegetarian eating with food writer Alicia Kennedy. We talk all things vegetarian — politics, the meat industry, how food and relationships are connected, and (in Alicia's words) her desire to make vegetarian food both compelling and delicious. We walked away from this conversation with a lot of new ideas to chew on.Alicia Kennedy is a writer from Long Island now living in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Her work on food and culture has been published in The New York Times

Jul 26, 2023 • 48:07

Reframing Perfectionism with L'Oreal Thompson Payton

Reframing Perfectionism with L'Oreal Thompson Payton

We're joined by author L'Oreal Thompson Payton to reframe all things perfectionism — breaking streaks, embracing shitty first drafts, or learning to stop waiting for the right moment. We take a hard look at how our own perfectionist tendencies show up in ourselves, where this pressure comes from, and how it impacts others. L'Oreal also treats us to insights on her own practice as a writer, struggles with fertility and postpartum feelings, and the non-linear path she has followed t

Jun 14, 2023 • 43:27

Reframing Working on Ourselves with Leah Faye Cooper

Reframing Working on Ourselves with Leah Faye Cooper

This week, we are chatting with Vanity Fair contributing editor Leah Faye Cooper. We met Leah at South by Southwest, where she was facilitating a panel of influencers that went down the road of Botox and fillers and the external work one can do on oneself. That prompted us to ask Leah to come on Reframeables and talk about the more holistic work that we can do on ourselves and in the world, but through the eyes of a fashion writer. We talk all things fashion and culture (and what we may or may n

May 10, 2023 • 47:35

Reframing Momfluencers with Sara Petersen

Reframing Momfluencers with Sara Petersen

This week, we are talking all things momfluencers with author Sara Petersen whose new book Momfluenced comes out this month. We reminisce with Sara about some of our favourite momfluencers, and why they also irritate us. We discuss the weight mothers carry to perform a certain kind of motherhood online, and some examples of mom culture getting it really right that you'll want to check out.Sara has written about motherhood and feminism for The New York Times, Harper's Bazaar, The Washin

Apr 12, 2023 • 43:04

Rewind! Reframing Place-Based Memories

Rewind! Reframing Place-Based Memories

We’ve gone back to the beginning dear Reframeables! Back to where it all began — because sometimes you have to look back to move forward. In this episode Nat and Bec introduce their “exceptional” details — who, what, where, including the frenemy relationship between their cats. Then they dive into some place-based memories that need reframing. For Nat it’s their childhood shed that Bec locked her in (she made Rebecca do it!); for Bec it’s the Starbucks at SickKids Hospital in Toronto where she s

Mar 29, 2023 • 41:17

Rewind! Reframing Trauma with Chef Sang Kim

Rewind! Reframing Trauma with Chef Sang Kim

We joined writer and chef Sang Kim for a conversation around reframing trauma. We were thrilled to get Sang's perspective as one who has lived life from so many different vantage points — there is so much here in this interview! We touch on the search for "home," crossovers between art forms, cooking as a source of joy, what it takes to be a great improviser, and reframing trauma through daily practice.Sang Kim is a regular food contributor on CTV's The Social, The Marilyn De

Mar 22, 2023 • 46:06

Reframing the Walking Meeting: Flâneurs in Austin

Reframing the Walking Meeting: Flâneurs in Austin

While in Austin for South by Southwest, we're reframing the walking meeting. We're taking in the streets of East Austin, and working our way through big feelings (some brought on by messages out of the blue) — all at a brisk pace!Link:The Matinee episode with NatWe love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or send us a DM on any of our socials.If our conversations support you in your own reframing practice, please consider a donation on our Pat

Mar 15, 2023 • 15:27

Reframing Missed Moments (Part 1)

Reframing Missed Moments (Part 1)

This week, we're examining missed moments because we're interested in reframing everything — even moments we've never had! For many of us, there's a temptation to get stuck in the feeling of "what if I had just done that differently..." We bring our reframing energy to an assortment of our own missed moments, in addition to ones from previous guests Jessica Hiemstra and A.J. Schneider, and a poem from Colin James.Links:Being More Than One Thing with Jessica Hiemstra

Mar 8, 2023 • 31:41

Reframing Money Talks with A.J. Schneider

Reframing Money Talks with A.J. Schneider

We've all heard the adage "money talks." Well, today we're reframing how money talks, and how to change the kinds of conversations we have with it. With A.J. Schneider from Beyond the Green Coaching, we talk strategies, we talk budgeting, we talk money in relationships — and then she encourages us to go one step further and really dig deep into our potential traumas (which we may not have known about!) that we have with money.Link:Check out the Debt and Savings Bundle from Be

Mar 1, 2023 • 47:06

Rewind: Reframing Community with Ian Williams

Rewind: Reframing Community with Ian Williams

This week, in celebration of Black History Month, we are coming back to one of our favourite interviews with poet, essayist, and novelist Ian Williams, whose brain we really connected with. His book of essays, Disorientation: Being Black in the World, is thought-provoking and beautiful — all the things a book of essays should be. Ian Williams is the author of six books of fiction, nonfiction, and poetry. His latest book, Disorientation, considers the impact of racial encounters on ordinary peopl

Feb 22, 2023 • 34:52

Reframing Valentine's Day

Reframing Valentine's Day

We're here to reframe Valentine's Day with an episode that's short and sweet (because maybe you have chocolate to eat). Some people love the holiday, some folks hate it — we’re not opposed to what Valentine’s Day represents, but are definitely here for a new perspective on what it could mean! Is it just a sentimental “love day” or possibly a new take on freedom? Or is it better if we just think of it as another day that ends in Y?Link:The Myth of Saint Valentine's Day by Soph

Feb 15, 2023 • 13:02

Reframing "The Sex Talk" with Emily Roach

Reframing "The Sex Talk" with Emily Roach

Today we're reframing how we talk about sex with kids with sex-positivity communicator Emily Roach — whose loyal and growing following on TikTok suggest that we're not the only ones looking for this conversation. We talk about creating spaces for judgement-free conversations, healing our own relationship to sex, and ways of speaking about consent. Listen in and we hope you learn some new words — we did!Links:Hey SweetieCome As You Are by Emily NagoskiJessica ValentiFor more from Emily,

Feb 8, 2023 • 33:14

Reframing Hilarious Grief with Jason Roeder

Reframing Hilarious Grief with Jason Roeder

Today we are chatting with author Jason Roeder, former senior editor and senior writer at The Onion. We get into his new book Griefstrike!, a hilarious how-to for getting through grief that features Grieving Visualization Power Postures (all beginning with standing nude in one's sunroom), grief archetypes, sincerity corners, and so much more. Jason's also a contributor to The New Yorker and McSweeney’s Internet Tendency, so essentially his job has been to lean into funny. It might seem

Feb 1, 2023 • 34:37

Reframing Polishing the Stone of our Lives with Heidi Lynch & Perrie Voss

Reframing Polishing the Stone of our Lives with Heidi Lynch & Perrie Voss

This week we feature a vulnerable conversation with actors and creators Heidi Lynch and Perrie Voss, who delve into amplifying underrepresented stories in their new web series Avocado Toast. Perrie shares with us about her mental health struggles and Heidi talks about impact of endometriosis and how their health struggles make their way into their art making. Reframing takeaways that emerge: mental health hygiene as a full-time job, the practice of joyful actions and making ugly art to find one&

Jan 25, 2023 • 35:42

Reframing the Big Leap with Juno Rinaldi and Jenny Young

Reframing the Big Leap with Juno Rinaldi and Jenny Young

We're kicking off a new year of Reframeables with guests Juno Rinaldi and Jenny Young, who have launched new web series, My Special Guest. You might know them from other roles: Juno played Frankie for five years on the Emmy-nominated Netflix series Workin' Moms, and Jenny had a long time role on CBC's radio drama Afghanada and more recently on Amazon Prime’s The Lake. Now they want you to experience them together in something new that they have written and we love women taking ris

Jan 18, 2023 • 41:16

Reframing the Holiday List

Reframing the Holiday List

Today we are reframing the holiday list. We're seeing lots of lists out there right now, most of them about getting people the perfect gift for Christmas and other winter holiday celebrations. Since we also like lists (we do biweekly lists for our Patreon subscribers — what we like to call Life Hacks and Enhancers), we thought we would make a holiday list of our own. It's a behind-the-scenes look at what our Patreon friends get on the regular, but with our own holiday-philosophical fla

Dec 14, 2022 • 22:39

Reframing the Power of "I Love You" (A Philosopher's Take) with Marianne Apostolides

Reframing the Power of "I Love You" (A Philosopher's Take) with Marianne Apostolides

With author Marianne Apostolides we talk about her newest book I Can't Get You Out Of My Mind. This episode of Reframeables is the book launch she never got (thanks a lot, Covid!). The story is about Ariadne, a writer who is navigating a divorce, an affair with the arrogant Adam and two angry teenage children. As a way to make some extra money she enters into an academic study that involves bringing an AI machine named Dirk into her home. The book asks how we enter big questions and confron

Dec 7, 2022 • 35:06

Reframing Self-Care Failures + From Public to Private: Women in Transition with Julia Swaigen

Reframing Self-Care Failures + From Public to Private: Women in Transition with Julia Swaigen

This week, we're looking back on our October challenges from episode 53 (no complaining, no saying sorry) and reframing our commitments to language and what we really mean when we set self-care goals. Yes, this is coming out of some failed attempts! Listen in as we take a deep dive into our 30-day challenges (that went off the rails) and how we're trying to get back on track.In the second half of the episode we examine the language we use with our children in a discussion with child an

Nov 30, 2022 • 50:32

Reframing the Influencer Life with Caitlin Green

Reframing the Influencer Life with Caitlin Green

Nat's done a lot of commuting in her days as a teacher, and certain voices on the radio always grabbed her attention on the long trek up the 400. One of those voices is the smart, understated voice of Chum 104.5's Caitlin Green, who is reframing her influencer life right now - off stage with a new baby. We sat down for a vulnerable conversation with her, where she opens up about the loss of her son and her experience in publicly navigating that grief. She talks about being co-host of T

Nov 23, 2022 • 37:29

From the Classroom to Costco: Women in Transition (Maggie's Story)

From the Classroom to Costco: Women in Transition (Maggie's Story)

Today we're excited to launch a new series on women in transition. We've made some pretty big life transitions lately, and other people making big transitions have also been reaching out to us through Reframeables — so we decided it would be fun to feature their stories from time to time. Our guest today, Maggie, is a woman who quit teaching to work at Costco and built a popular TikTok account of close to 40,000 followers through sharing that story. We talk about why she thinks the tra

Nov 16, 2022 • 33:57

Reframing Self-Love with Kids Lit Author Jael Richardson

Reframing Self-Love with Kids Lit Author Jael Richardson

We are joined by author (and literary festival director) Jael Richardson to reframe all things self-love through the angle of kids lit.  We talk about competition, faith, families, self-acceptance in our forties and, of course, books.Jael is the author of the YA hit Gutter Child and the memoir The Stone Thrower, which was so popular it was eventually reformatted as a children's picture book. Her most recent book for kids is Because You Are. She is also the executive director of two literary

Nov 9, 2022 • 53:20

Introducing: The Reframeables Podcast

Introducing: The Reframeables Podcast

Dear Reframeables,Welcome to our podcast. We are Nat and Bec, two very different sisters who like to use art and conversations to reframe more than ourselves — one might say we practice socially conscious self-help. Sometimes we do it through conversations with the two of us, sometimes we bring in artists, thinkers and creators to help us along. Always we like to leave you with some new reframeable to chew as we work through life’s big and small stuff together.Love,Nat and Bec We love hearing fr

Nov 3, 2022 • 0:29

Reframing the Parental Push / Life Hacks and Enhancers

Reframing the Parental Push / Life Hacks and Enhancers

Today we're reframing the parental push — Bec shares a story of navigating goal-setting with her eldest, who is now in high school, and Nat offers some retrospective thoughts brought forward from her time as a high school teacher. We're also pleased to bring you our latest installment of Life Hacks and Enhancers, normally an exclusive for our Patreon subscribers. Take in five things that are making our lives better right now. We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message

Nov 2, 2022 • 26:29

Reframing Wellness with Princess Owens

Reframing Wellness with Princess Owens

This week, we're reframing wellness with Princess Owens, otherwise known as Multiple Mom — a family wellness coach who has a lot to say about reframing wellness for moms, for Black women, and for children. She gives insights into the origins of Pilates, her business Be Well Zara, and how she opted for community over fashion.Links:Lori Harvey Is Just the Start of a Black Pilates Legacy, the article by Princess mentioned at the start of the episodeHey Fran Hey and Dr. Amber Thornton, two well

Oct 26, 2022 • 34:17

Reframing Regret (The Bourdain Dilemma)

Reframing Regret (The Bourdain Dilemma)

Nat and Bec unpack an issue shared with them from Reframeables listener Ann: what should you do if you've given a gift to the wrong person, and now want to give it to someone else? We look at the dilemma from all sides so that Ann can close a relational loop and put this issue that's been tickling her brain to rest.We also wanted to show some love for Pam Uzzell and her podcast Art Heals All Wounds. Each week, she interviews an artist and talks about their work because she believes tha

Oct 19, 2022 • 24:56

Reframing Neurodiversity with Supernova Momma

Reframing Neurodiversity with Supernova Momma

This week we’re joined by Supernova Momma (otherwise known as Natasha Nelson), an autistic mom blogger who is the parent to two autistic children. She’s got a lot to teach us about neurodiversity, sharing insights and hilarious stories from her life as a veteran, building a business as a neurodivergent parent, and being real at all times.We also wanted to show some love for Pam Uzzell and her podcast Art Heals All Wounds. Each week, she interviews an artist and talks about their work because she

Oct 12, 2022 • 44:47

Reframing Therapy (A Seven Minute Check-In)

Reframing Therapy (A Seven Minute Check-In)

We also recorded this episode as a video, which you can watch here.This week we're launching a new series: Reframing in Seven Minutes. For this one we check in on our October challenges from episode 53: no complaining, and no saying sorry. Reframing is always an ongoing process, so we wanted to pull back the curtain on how it's going for us in working through to the other side of something. A great episode for those of us short on time!We also wanted to show some love for Pam Uzzell a

Oct 5, 2022 • 12:01

Reframing the "Good Mom" with Leah McLaren

Reframing the "Good Mom" with Leah McLaren

This week we're connecting with journalist and writer Leah McLaren to reframe memoir. We get into her new fearless memoir Where You End and I Begin, which started as a book she was writing with her mother and in the end became a story about herself. It's a meandering conversation that started even before we pressed record — subjects touched on include Toronto art schools in the 90s, MeToo, victim narratives, and the traumas of mothering (both inflicted and experienced). TW: references to rape an

Sep 28, 2022 • 58:05

Reframing Moments We've Lost Ourselves (Episode 53)

Reframing Moments We've Lost Ourselves (Episode 53)

We also recorded this episode as a video, which you can watch here.Inspired by a line from the great Native American novelist Louise Erdrich, this week we're taking a look at times in our lives when we lost ourselves. We open doors on some raw moments of failure, forgiveness, and loss in our lives, and ask if we can reframe these in a loving way. Can we use them to propel self-discovery?  Links:Love Medicine by Louise ErdrichDusk, Night, Dawn by Anne Lamott We love hearing from our listener

Sep 21, 2022 • 29:25

Reframing Community with Ian Williams (Episode 52)

Reframing Community with Ian Williams (Episode 52)

We're joined by Giller-winning author and professor Ian Williams to reframe community — or what we’re summing up as connections and collisions in both writing and living. He shares with us about the community he finds in his writing, while we share with him about community that we find in his characters. Through Ian’s lens we also explore the nature of disappointment as ambitious people, failure, loneliness, reaching out into the world, and giving yourself away. Buddhism and the search for

Sep 14, 2022 • 34:50

Reframing Ambition (Episode 51)

Reframing Ambition (Episode 51)

This week we're reframing ambition — we've got lots of it, and so there is much to unpack! We examine differences in our own ambitions, and how our outlooks have evolved over time. Can we disconnect ambition from other things that might be more unhealthy or negative, like jealousy and competition? Also, is ambition a triangle or some other shape? We ponder this too with our usual deep dive energy. We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or

Sep 7, 2022 • 33:40

Reframing Trauma with Chef Sang Kim (Episode 50)

Reframing Trauma with Chef Sang Kim (Episode 50)

We joined writer and chef Sang Kim for a conversation around reframing trauma. We were thrilled to get Sang's perspective as one who has lived life from so many different vantage points — there is so much here in this interview! We touch on the search for "home," crossovers between art forms, cooking as a source of joy, what it takes to be a great improviser, and reframing trauma through daily practice.Sang Kim is a regular food contributor on CTV's The Social, The Marilyn De

Aug 31, 2022 • 46:06

Summer Series: Personal Growth (Episode 49)

Summer Series: Personal Growth (Episode 49)

We also recorded this episode as a video, which you can watch here.To finish up our summer series, we're discussing all things growth. We get personal with a discussion of new paths we're taking, and how things are going with our own progression as we move into the fall — the next season of growth. We've also got some items to bring with us on the journey: some poems, some chia pudding, some books, and some bathing suit bottoms. As uncomfortable as growth can be, we're determ

Aug 24, 2022 • 30:42

Reframing a Celebratory Break (Episode 48)

Reframing a Celebratory Break (Episode 48)

This week we're taking a moment to pause, reflect, and celebrate — while leaving you with a couple big questions to ponder.Link:Know Yourself prompt cards from The School of Life We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or send us a DM on any of our socials.If our conversations support you in your own reframing practice, please consider a donation on our Patreon — where you can also hear bonus episodes. Subscribe to the Reframeables Newsletter.

Aug 17, 2022 • 2:35

Spotlight Convo: Art Heals All Wounds and Poet Preeti Vangani

Spotlight Convo: Art Heals All Wounds and Poet Preeti Vangani

This week we're putting a spotlight on a conversation from Art Heals All Wounds, a podcast hosted by our friend Pam Uzzell. We feel connected to her in our shared love of art and its reframing power, and bring to you a conversation Pam had with poet Preeti Vangani on mothers, loss, and the reframing power of poetry to heal. We hope you find this episode as enlightening as we did.Pam's episode description:Today, I’m joined by writer, poet, and educator Preeti Vangani. Preeti’s work cove

Aug 10, 2022 • 35:15

Summer Series: Nostalgia (Episode 47)

Summer Series: Nostalgia (Episode 47)

We also recorded this episode as a video, which you can watch here.We continue our summer series riffing on all things lists. This week’s dive: nostalgia — despite it being a feeling that doesn't come easily for either of us. We explore the early blog days, weeding and podcasts, returning to books read at a young age, candy in plastic cups, and other thoughts all tinged with nostalgia in one way or another.Links:Knoxville, Tennessee by Nikki GiovanniTomato salad with currants and serrano ch

Aug 3, 2022 • 21:08

Going Plantcrazii with Lloyd Rose (Episode 46)

Going Plantcrazii with Lloyd Rose (Episode 46)

Nat sits down with Lloyd Rose (aka @plantcrazii), a vegan content creator who's been doing amazing things on Instagram and has a new cookbook coming out at the end of the summer. We're putting good vibes out into the world with this conversation, talking about Lloyd's journey from meat-eater to living a plant-based life, pushing back on how veganism is portrayed in the media, building mutual spaces online, and the vulnerability of being an influencer.Links:4 Vegan Influencers To F

Jul 27, 2022 • 20:16

Summer Series: Feel the Heat (Episode 45)

Summer Series: Feel the Heat (Episode 45)

We also recorded this episode as a video, which you can watch here.Over the next few weeks, between some exciting interviews, we are doing a summer series riffing on our love of all things lists. This week we have a list based on the theme of heat. Enjoy a new poem, thoughts on writer Rachel Cusk, capsule summer wardrobe items, cold foods, and other thoughts, all inspired by the heat!Links:Heat by Hilda Doolittle Second Place by Rachel CuskOutline by Rachel Cusk The Seasons, Op. 37a by Tchaikovs

Jul 20, 2022 • 23:52

Vino is for Everyone: Diversifying Wine with Sommelier Beverly Crandon (Episode 44)

Vino is for Everyone: Diversifying Wine with Sommelier Beverly Crandon (Episode 44)

We welcomed sommelier Beverly Crandon to the podcast to talk about making wine more accessible, and how diversifying vino can make the conversation around it all the more fruitful. It's a conversation that gets into wine as a way of bringing people together, how Beverly's upbringing informs her work as a sommelier, the importance of learning the entire story of a wine, and celebrating summer in Toronto with a focus on the senses.Beverly Crandon is a current sommelier, wine lover, marke

Jul 13, 2022 • 40:01

Summer Series: Water (Episode 43)

Summer Series: Water (Episode 43)

We also recorded this episode as a video, which you can watch here.Over the next few weeks, between some exciting interviews, we are doing a summer series riffing on our love of all things lists! This week we have a list based on the theme of water. Enjoy some poetry, music, literature and thought prompts: all water-inspired!Links:Home Body by Rupi Kaur (with the excerpt we mentioned)The Vagina Bible by Jen GunterOcean Eyes by Billie EilishOgoSport OgoDisk Mini Kids' 2-Player Bouncy Flying

Jul 6, 2022 • 22:32

The Endless Verbal with Aimee Bender (Episode 42)

The Endless Verbal with Aimee Bender (Episode 42)

We joined novelist Aimee Bender for a phone call that turned into a backyard conversation over Zoom. You're going to hear the sound of California birds (and possibly the odd car) as we unpack the beautiful mundane — truly a joyful conversation, especially if you're a writer (or interested in the process of writing). We touch on using writing to capture the manifold reflections of reality, the strange in the mundane, knowing your own quirky brain, finding relief in failure, and letting

Jun 29, 2022 • 29:34

I Am the Medicine: A Conversation with Asha Frost (Episode 41)

I Am the Medicine: A Conversation with Asha Frost (Episode 41)

We're joined by Asha Frost, an Indigenous Medicine Woman and a member of the Chippewas of Nawash First Nation, to discuss her lifelong journey of reclamation and her path as a healer. Asha provides profound insights into ways of integrating Medicine in our own lives and trusting ourselves as healers. Asha talks about shifting out of her private practice into her life work of sharing Medicine through Ceremonies, teaching and speaking events. We're also treated to some ideas from her new

Jun 22, 2022 • 29:42

Rewind: A Conversation with Carley Fortune (Episode 28)

Rewind: A Conversation with Carley Fortune (Episode 28)

This week we're rewinding to bring forward our conversation with Carley Fortune, whose book Every Summer After has just made it to The New York Times bestseller list!We reframe life's big transitions as we talk with Carley about leaving her steady career in the Canadian media industry to work as a solo writer and novelist. She tells us about the concept of matrescence, something she has written about in her time with Refinery29 — a challenging experience that many parents undergo but a

Jun 15, 2022 • 44:33

All Kinds of Stories with Zarqa Nawaz (Episode 40)

All Kinds of Stories with Zarqa Nawaz (Episode 40)

We sit down with Zarqa Nawaz, the creator of Little Mosque on the Prairie, the world's first sitcom about a Muslim community living in the west. She has recently released both a new book and a new show (out now on CBC Gem), and joins us to share her insights on storytelling — from how her faith informs her writing process, to her personal journey in bringing stories like hers to the mainstream, to the inherent value of depicting the ordinary.Links:Watch ZARQA on CBC GemJameela Green Ruins E

Jun 8, 2022 • 44:40

Being More Than One Thing with Jessica Hiemstra (Episode 39)

Being More Than One Thing with Jessica Hiemstra (Episode 39)

We are all multi-hyphenate. How can we reframe what it means to be more than one thing and embrace our multiplicities? We talked to artist Jessica Hiemstra, whose work spans many different mediums, from essays and poetry to children's books to murals to large-scale installations, about how she navigates doing a lot. Our wide-ranging conversation spanned how we embrace being big in the world to the tabs we keep open in our lives to what we can learn from beavers.Jessica makes. Have a look.Li

Jun 1, 2022 • 42:06

Grief Forward (Episode 38)

Grief Forward (Episode 38)

Grief is something that is present for a lot of us. There's lots to be sad about, so what's the best way to process the grief arising from it? Do we have an obligation to feel sad all the time given the daily tragedies in our world?  We shine light on our own ongoing griefs and explore what it means to feel safe enough to feel all our feelings, even as  we try and keep up with the needs around us. We also touch on counters to grief — which seem to fall somewhere between will and joy —

May 25, 2022 • 24:30

Thinking Big with Anna DeShawn (Episode 37)

Thinking Big with Anna DeShawn (Episode 37)

Nat and Bec chat with Chicago-born digital media artist and social entrepreneur Anna DeShawn. We reminisce about the Podcast Movement conference in LA, church as preparation for life as a performer, and Anna shares some insights about creating when you don't fit in any box, doing many things at a time, and developing a self-care regimen that enables thinking big to flourish.Anna Deshawn is the founder of The Qube and E3 Radio, which are riding media into its next era by using digital media

May 18, 2022 • 37:29

Curating a Life with Jen McNeely of She Does The City (Episode 36)

Curating a Life with Jen McNeely of She Does The City (Episode 36)

Bec and Nat chat with Jen McNeely, founder of She Does the City, about what it means to curate her life even as she curates a publishing platform. We get into shifts in perspective, taking on different roles as we mature and media changes, the negative side of wine mom culture, advocating for mental health and recovery, and simpler ways of being.Links:Follow Jen on Twitter and Instagram.We also wanted to put a spotlight on the podcast Hello, I'm Listening, a rebrand of the podcast Translati

May 11, 2022 • 34:33

Hallmark Movie Do-Over (Episode 35)

Hallmark Movie Do-Over (Episode 35)

What is art anyways? This week we're reframing the binary of highbrow and lowbrow art after watching the Hallmark movie The Beach House, starring Minka Kelly, Andie MacDowell, and Chad Michael Murray. Do our categories get in the way of really engaging with art? How can we cast off these ingrained ideas to engage with whatever is in front of us — whether it's Dostoevsky or The Bachelor? We were both surprised by what we liked about the movie, and our viewing experience led to some insi

May 4, 2022 • 29:20

Saving Coffee + A Chat with Mary Elizabeth Picher (Episode 34)

Saving Coffee + A Chat with Mary Elizabeth Picher (Episode 34)

This week we step outside of the podcast recording studio to reframe a couple of locations we have a lot of history with. We visit two coffee shops — ‘G.N.’ and ‘C.’ — that we’ve both spent a lot of time in and are full of memories (not all of them good). How do spaces take root in our minds and become meaning-filled, and how can we reframe places we might have bad associations with so that we can be at home around them? Come on our journey to find out!Then we return to our Women in Business ser

Apr 27, 2022 • 33:51

Reframing Through Fiction: A Conversation with Katie Zdybel (Episode 33)

Reframing Through Fiction: A Conversation with Katie Zdybel (Episode 33)

Fiction writing can be a really powerful reframing tool — writer Katie Zdybel joins us to talk about this idea and reframe our own writing lives in the process. Plus: finding the right headspace for writing, living in the Yukon, seeing beauty in the landscape (and sometimes not!), and using fiction to build better relationships with the sadnesses that are a part of life.Katie Zdybel’s recently released first book, Equipoise, was shortlisted for the HarperCollins/UBC Prize for Best New Fiction an

Apr 20, 2022 • 34:26

Reframing Divorce with Miranda Hassell (Episode 32)

Reframing Divorce with Miranda Hassell (Episode 32)

Nat joins Miranda Hassell in a two-for-one episode of Sister On! and The Big D on reframing divorce. How can we put this painful process in a new light and learn to choose ourselves over relationships? Take in our breakup stories (because who doesn't like a little drama?), the ways we reframe our experiences of divorce, and what comes after the papers are signed. We also get into video games as healing tools, the gifts we decide to give our exes, and insights from strangers in unexpected pl

Apr 13, 2022 • 49:06

Risk Portfolio (Episode 31)

Risk Portfolio (Episode 31)

What's the biggest risk you've ever taken? Managing risk has been front and centre in our minds these past two years of COVID. This episode tries to unpack some of that risk in a broader way as we examine big risks we've made in the past and what our choices say about us. How do we react differently to the risks imposed on us, versus the ones we choose to take on? How do we manage when everything goes wrong? We try to find the right language for navigating the risks life throws at

Apr 6, 2022 • 35:41

Existential Crisis in LA (Episode 30)

Existential Crisis in LA (Episode 30)

We're back from the Podcast Movement Evolutions conference in LA, where we had a bit of an existential crisis. We give you our travelogue, where we gave some serious thought to rebranding and reframing Sister On! as this project of ours grows and changes. Also, finding a mentor, SMART goals, being mansplained to in Ubers, and prioritizing pleasure.We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or send us a DM on any of our socials.You can find our tra

Mar 30, 2022 • 19:44

Mindful Eating with Dr. Michelle May (Episode 29)

Mindful Eating with Dr. Michelle May (Episode 29)

Does our relationship with food need reframing? We had a talk with Dr. Michelle May, a former family physician who struggled with disordered eating, about what it means to eat mindfully and how we can cultivate healthier ways of thinking about food. We got into identifying self-care habits that can make us feel better, how to actually change our habits in a way that is lasting, and the origin of our culture's unhealthy attitudes toward food.Michelle May is the founder of Am I Hungry? Mindfu

Mar 23, 2022 • 52:59

Reframing Life's Big Transitions: A Conversation with Carley Fortune (Episode 28)

Reframing Life's Big Transitions: A Conversation with Carley Fortune (Episode 28)

This week is all about reframing life's big transitions as we talk with writer Carley Fortune about leaving her steady career in the Canadian media industry to work as a solo writer and novelist. She tells us about the concept of matrescence, something she has written about in her time with Refinery29 — a challenging experience that many parents undergo but aren't able to name. We're also treated to a napkin pitch for Every Summer After,  her forthcoming novel about the nostalgia

Mar 16, 2022 • 43:54

A Quickie about Toxic Positivity (Episode 27)

A Quickie about Toxic Positivity (Episode 27)

Can reframing be misconstrued as toxic positivity? Bec wonders if she’s still allowed to be annoyed at super positive people. Nat suggests yes, although she suggests we all need to find our safe space to be grumpy. Bec worries about being fake if she’s too positive. Nat wonders if sometimes we are scared of healing.The book we reference is Complaint by Sara Ahmed.“Just” is an adverb. "With" is a preposition. And Nat can't find that director for the life of her!Ultimately, they wou

Mar 9, 2022 • 26:38

Introvert Superpowers: A Conversation with Sharon Glassman (Episode 26)

Introvert Superpowers: A Conversation with Sharon Glassman (Episode 26)

Recording through a bonding technology debacle, Bec and Nat talk with designer and songwriter Sharon Glassman (the founder of Smile Songs, a line of musical greeting cards and gifts) about reframing the concept of introversion. The wide-ranging conversation spans what it means to be an introvert — touching on how she hacked her career to make it work at her own speed, her journey from fashion journalist to performer, her introvert superpowers, being a ‘yes’ versus a ‘no’ person, and falling in l

Mar 2, 2022 • 32:22

Happy Hour: Reframing in the Wee Hours (Episode 25)

Happy Hour: Reframing in the Wee Hours (Episode 25)

All about reframing our changing selves! We are not static. Recording early morning from the farm, Bec and Nat check in on the problems they tried to reframe for each other back in Episode 11. Bec’s question was around asking too many “whys.” And Nat’s was around navigating feelings of discontent. The sisters come to the conclusion that taking each other’s advice is not simple and these “problems” are going to need multiple iterations. Also, they like the rawness of each other’s brains at 7:45 a

Feb 23, 2022 • 43:36

Reframing Success with Novelist Marissa Stapley (Episode 24)

Reframing Success with Novelist Marissa Stapley (Episode 24)

Bec and Nat interview writer Marissa Stapley, whose writing career takes a major turn when Reese Witherspoon endorses her latest novel Lucky.Marissa Stapley has worked as a newspaper journalist and magazine editor, and is now the internationally bestselling author of the novels Lucky, a Reese’s Book Club December 2021 Pick, The Last Resort, Things to do When It’s Raining, and Mating for Life. Her work has been published in fifteen countries and two of her novels, including Lucky, have been optio

Feb 16, 2022 • 39:16

Reframing Gratitude! (Episode 23)

Reframing Gratitude! (Episode 23)

Bec and Nat decide to reframe the January blues with gratitude as their February focus.Nat recalls an episode of The Huberman Lab podcast where he talks about the necessity of introducing story/narrative to really make for a truly brain-changing gratitude practice.Bec reads a shiver-inducing letter from one of Nat’s students and then they check in on how Nat is feeling post reading!Bec and Nat learn that they can search out a story for their own gratitude practice (if they don’t have a student t

Feb 9, 2022 • 36:57

Interview with YouTube Stars Jessii & Mandii Vee (Episode 22)

Interview with YouTube Stars Jessii & Mandii Vee (Episode 22)

Bec interviews YouTubers Jessii Vee and Mandii Vee — their first podcast interview ever! And one of the few interviews they have done as sisters. The sisters share about how they have reframed their entrepreneurship during COVID and the ways their family supports one another — including family meetings to brainstorm videos!They also talk about the bullying each of them endured and how they have moved to healthier places in their lives and even learned from those hard times. Jessii lets a new pro

Feb 2, 2022 • 37:29

Redirecting the Light: Reframing Our Shadow Sides (Episode 21)

Redirecting the Light: Reframing Our Shadow Sides (Episode 21)

In this week's episode: 1. Bec wants to talk about what blinders we still have about ourselves in our 40s…Nat prefers the more Jungian language of “shadow sides!”2. Bec shares two of what she believes are her shadow qualities but Nat reframes one of them, Bec’s chameleon-like tendency in a group, to be a strength. 3. Bec reframes Nat’s tendency to walk away from conversations as having a positive sense of personal boundaries. They talk about multiplicities and embracing the many parts of th

Jan 26, 2022 • 44:23

Mental Health Reframe with TEDx speaker Johnny Crowder of Cope Notes (Episode 20)

Mental Health Reframe with TEDx speaker Johnny Crowder of Cope Notes (Episode 20)

Bec and Nat interview TEDx speaker and Forbes-endorsed mental health advocate Johnny Crowder, who has built a whole system around reframing negative thinking.Almost his whole life, Johnny didn’t know that he could work out his brain like he did his body. We all need to find the right wording when it comes to self-care. We might not speak the same language but we are needing the same things. Johnny tells us about his company which provides daily mental health support via text messages to interrup

Jan 18, 2022 • 43:49

Sleepless in Toronto (Episode 19)

Sleepless in Toronto (Episode 19)

The sisters attempt to reframe sleepless nights — a problem which comes from a listener. They both agree it’s a hard one especially given that Nat hasn’t had a full night’s sleep in eight years. Bec asks if sleeplessness could be reframed for new mothers as doing hard things? Like the cold plunge from the spa — a good shock to the body’s system?They discuss how the constraints imposed through sleepless nights could lead to generating…something! For Nat it led to the writing of a PhD! Why not wri

Jan 12, 2022 • 41:47

New Year's Revolutions (Episode 18)

New Year's Revolutions (Episode 18)

For this episode on New Year’s Revolutions Nat and Bec begin by discussing their foray into TikTok. Is it humiliating or are they taking healthy risks? :)Bec brings up the idea of improving someone else’s life in this new year if you don’t feel equipped to improve your own right now. Natalie troubles this notion as she considers the dangers of help that is misguided. But at the same we don’t want to devolve into myopic self-help. It’s a delicate tightrope. They discuss Bec’s husband’s statement

Jan 5, 2022 • 36:43

Announcing...a tiny break!

Announcing...a tiny break!

Two week break for Sister On as we tend to some of our own self-care! But in the meantime please subscribe to our newsletter and check out any episodes your might have missed.See you in 2022! We can't wait to keep on reframing with you!We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or send us a DM on any of our socials.If our conversations support you in your own reframing practice, please consider a donation on our Patreon, where you can also hear bo

Dec 22, 2021 • 3:10

Holiday Reframed (Episode 17)

Holiday Reframed (Episode 17)

In their second holiday episode (which means they tried to talk shorter for all their busy listeners!), Nat and Bec reframe the notion of holiday and what it will be this year. Bec unpacks the etymology of the word holiday… from Old English haligdaeg (holy + day), and they realize they might need to look for their own “sabbath.”They discuss turning a concept on its head — like the positive acne trend! Nat says she can't look at the notion of holiday straight on these days when it looks so d

Dec 15, 2021 • 34:49

Gift Giving: Reframed (Episode 16)

Gift Giving: Reframed (Episode 16)

For this holiday episode, Nat suggests that they reframe the notion of gifts. She offers up the philosopher Emmanuel Levinas’ notion of “gift” which focuses on how power is shared between the gift giver and the receiver. Bec processes this idea at a slow pace. She too wants to embrace the vulnerability that comes with giving and realizes she has to give up expectation, even of her family tree trimming moment. They realize that the best moments can came when they are just receiving whatever is ha

Dec 8, 2021 • 38:58

The Best Things Come in Twos (or New and Now) (Episode 15)

The Best Things Come in Twos (or New and Now) (Episode 15)

The sisters acknowledge the passing of Natalie’s 17 year old car, and more importantly the passing of legend Stephen Sondheim. Nat sings a line from "Send In The Clowns."Inspired by her son’s curiosity, Nat wants to return to the beauty of questions without feeling so tied to finding answers. Which ties together nicely with their two new problems to reframe from a listener, who asks about 1) nudging people along through mentorship and  2) does reframing need something from another?Bec

Dec 1, 2021 • 43:25

Mantras and Metaphors (Episode 14)

Mantras and Metaphors (Episode 14)

Nat and Bec go rogue in this conversation. A question about New Year's Resolutions spirals into finding something better… a poetic motto? Maybe an action mantra? Nat wonders if they can be less productivity oriented with their "resolutions." Maybe some lines from literature are best of all for teaching us how to live! She offers up Rachel Cusk's Second Place and a poem by Hanif Abdurraqib. Bec reads some excerpts from National Book Award Winner Jason Mott's Hell Of A Boo

Nov 24, 2021 • 41:09

Loss and Found (Episode 13)

Loss and Found (Episode 13)

Nat has been thinking about loss now that her son is against kisses. It spurs her to write a piece that she shares, called "Loss and Found."The sisters muse about some of their great losses and some of the benefits of experiencing pain—it leads us to empathy. They manage to get their mom to contribute to the podcast, not in a conversation, but in her own written piece about loss. "Mom" writes about her favourite books that share a commonality in navigating great loss. They bo

Nov 17, 2021 • 45:00

2 in 1: Our Second Call-In + Interview with Singer Felicity Williams (Episode 12)

2 in 1: Our Second Call-In + Interview with Singer Felicity Williams (Episode 12)

Nat and Bec reframe a new question about the labels we put on our kids. Also they air an interview they have been sitting on with their old friend and singer extraordinaire Felicity Williams. (You might recognize her voice from our opening music!) The theme which resonates through both parts of the episode: the changing seasons of life. We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or send us a DM on any of our socials.If our conversations support you in

Nov 10, 2021 • 1:03:19

“Why Can’t I Follow My Own Advice?” (Episode 11)

“Why Can’t I Follow My Own Advice?” (Episode 11)

Nat and Bec open with a discussion of Hallowe'en, before diving into what they call their “unscripted experiment” where they bring each other a surprise question to reframe on the spot. Nat's question focuses on how hard she's finding it to take her own (good!) advice. Bec's question is around the question "why?" They dive into each question for fifteen minutes and feel pretty damn victorious by the end. We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message,

Nov 3, 2021 • 48:11

Shame…Just a Feeling (Episode 10)

Shame…Just a Feeling (Episode 10)

This is shame 2.0 for Nat and Bec as they encounter technical difficulties the first time around. For this second time through they dig even deeper into the nuances of guilt, embarrassment and guilt. They discover that Nat is a bit of a rebel and takes an alternative stance whenever she can. Bec feels like her shame is rooted in being "too much." They both muse about how the church upbringing has potentially contributed to feelings of shame. Nat suggests adopting her husband's not

Oct 27, 2021 • 43:18

New Things Are Hard (Episode 9)

New Things Are Hard (Episode 9)

Bec and Nat open by talking about how they discuss everything with a certain intensity…even eyeliner. Bec asks Nat five questions to help listeners get to know her better. They branch into their topic: new things are hard! Bec’s hard new thing is running a solo business and just doing art in general. Nat feels like teaching is back to being new again. They do a NEW thing on the podcast with their first call in. Listener Nicole asks them to reframe the notion of the essential reworker and how the

Oct 20, 2021 • 45:58

Never Meet Your Heroes (Episode 8)

Never Meet Your Heroes (Episode 8)

Nat and Bec have one of their usual rambling conversations. They discuss the romanticized version of a mentor who is there to teach you all the tricks and walk with you forever, but how that’s next to impossible to find. Bec appreciates gleaning from people’s lives who are different and how that expands her. Nat admits to still wanting someone to swoop in and be a career mentor, especially after having had some really wounding mentorship experiences. The book of Job comes into the conversation a

Oct 13, 2021 • 46:10

Shit Moms! (Episode 7)

Shit Moms! (Episode 7)

Bec tells Nat about an artist’s work she’s recently come across entitled “Shit Moms.” Bec shares that she sometimes feels like a shitty mom, and the sisters then proceed to share stories of their various mom messes. Bec feels more messy than Nat when it comes to how hard she is on herself as a mother. Nat brings up D.W. Winnicott’s notion of the “good enough mother” and tries to help reframe the shit mom feelings they both navigate as positive. She emphasizes the importance of humility and  forg

Oct 6, 2021 • 46:29

Thought Wasps (Episode 6)

Thought Wasps (Episode 6)

Nat and Bec open by talking about weird nature. Bec snips invasive caterpillars in half because they can’t exist on her grape vine! Bec jumps to a heavy thought that flits into her mind lately: “I’m ugly. I’m stupid.” Nat calls it a “thought wasp,” taken from Jeanette Winterson’s reframing of the Atlas myth. They discuss the need to protect themselves from the weight of the world.Nat admits to her own thought wasps, which have more to do with imposter syndrome: “No one wants me” and “Is this eve

Sep 27, 2021 • 41:52

Cookies Make Everything Better: Interview with THE Craig Pike of Craig's Cookies (Episode 5)

Cookies Make Everything Better: Interview with THE Craig Pike of Craig's Cookies (Episode 5)

Firstly, Rebecca butchers another name—Craig's Corgi! Bec brings her own fun pronunciation :) Next, Craig has an epiphany about being the CRAIG behind Craig’s Cookies. They realize “Seven degrees of separation from Craig’s Cookies” could be a new fun game. Craig shares the things he learned from theatre school and how he applied them to being an entrepreneur.  Mostly, Craig does all the work of reframing in this episode! He brings THE wisdom. Nat and Bec don’t even have to prompt him. Their coll

Sep 22, 2021 • 46:43

Failing Up! (Episode 4)

Failing Up! (Episode 4)

Nat encourages everyone to “fail up” and turn our humiliations into successes! #goals #noregretsBec and Nat determine that they don’t have one big success to tie them to their past (lucky them!); instead they are resilient types who just keep on chugging. Bec learns something new about Nat when it comes to Instagram recipes. Bec shares the story of faking her art project in grade 11 and then getting invited to the gifted art class, and having to grapple with feeling like a fraud. They talk about

Sep 13, 2021 • 52:30

Interview with Comedian Steve Patterson (Episode 3)

Interview with Comedian Steve Patterson (Episode 3)

Bec and Nat talk to Steve Patterson, Canadian stand-up and host of CBC's "The Debaters, about being a dad to two girls. He reads one of his favourite stories from his new book “Dad Up!” and chats about what it’s like to parent two young girls as an “old” dad.  They talk about forgiving themselves as parents and how mothers might be harder on themselves overall. Also, Steve shouts out his stellar wife Nancy and the mom she is. We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message

Sep 8, 2021 • 37:27

Reframing Place-Based Memories (Episode 2)

Reframing Place-Based Memories (Episode 2)

Natalie and Rebecca introduce their “exceptional” details — who, what, where, including the frenemy relationship between their cats. Then they dive into some place-based memories that need reframing. For Nat it’s their childhood shed that Rebecca locked her in (she made Rebecca do it!); for Rebecca it’s the Starbucks at SickKids Hospital in Toronto where she spent a lot time during her daughter’s heart surgery. They play the “do you remember when?” game throughout. They still don’t know if it’s

Sep 1, 2021 • 41:17

Therapy…Or Something Like It (Episode 1)

Therapy…Or Something Like It (Episode 1)

Bec and Nat get into some serious sister stuff real fast: how they have worked to reframe some of their biggest challenges and make it to the other side of them, closer than ever. And Nat was totally right about who said the quotation — it was of course Emily Dickinson and not Margaret Avison (who is also a wonderful poet).We love hearing from our listeners! Leave us a voice message, write to the show email, or send us a DM on any of our socials.If our conversations support you in your own refra

Aug 24, 2021 • 46:29

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