Print Run Podcast

Erik Hane and Laura Zats

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Print Run is a podcast created and hosted by Laura Zats and Erik Hane. Its aim is simple: to have the conversations surrounding the book and writing industries that too often are glossed over by conventional wisdom, institutional optimism, and false seriousness. We’re book people, and we want to examine the questions that lie at the heart of that life: why do books, specifically, matter? In a digital world, what cultural ground does book publishing still occupy? Whether it’s trends in the queries from writers that hit our inboxes or the social ramifications of an industry that pays so l...

Episode 175—What We Owe Each Other

In response to an excellent listener question, today we’re talking about how writers can approach asking potential agents about how they might handle specific aspects of their lives–whether that’s gender or sexual identity, disability, pregnancy or possible pregnancy, and much more–that could affect their publishing journey. We are in an age where all of us are growing increasingly vulnerable in different ways to what feels like a genuine fascist cultural backslide–this means that we all owe eac

Feb 20, • 1:07:25

Episode 174—The Subgenre is YOU

This week we use one of publishing’s favorite new portmanteaus–romantasy–to talk about the fluid nature of genre and subgenre, and discuss the ways in which these endless classifications can help bring new readers into a given category of book, as well as what drawbacks occur when we get more and more specific with our book taxonomy. We arrive at a key conclusion: the thing being categorized is not the book, but rather its readers. Join us!

Feb 7, • 52:45

Episode 173—The Manuscript Wish List at the End of the World

We don’t need to tell you that the world feels pretty dark right now. The question then becomes: as creatives, as publishing people, as writers, readers, agents, whatever–what are we looking for to get us through? This episode we talk about what we’re hoping to see from and get out of art and publishing this next stretch, when all feels lost but we’re forging ahead anyway. Join us while we look for the light in the dark!

Jan 24, • 49:27

Episode 172—The End of the Social Media Marketing Era

This week we talk about the functional death of social media as a promotional tool in the publishing industry. Now that we all agree that these platforms are actively corrosive to not only our body politic but literary culture specifically, where do we go next? What forms of cultural production might actually get people excited about books again, once we detach ourselves from the Slop Machines? We explore that vision and more. Join us!

Jan 17, • 48:44

Episode 171—Summer, Again

It’s time for the annual Print Run Summer Check-In, where we list out all the ways we’re both keeping it together and losing our marbles. Summer is strange time in publishing, and it leads us to a conversation on deep work versus shallow, frenetic work, how we manage our interior creative selves in relation to the job, and the chaos that is sure to come this fall. Join us!

Jul 25, 2024 • 43:26

Episode 170—A Culture of Mistrust

On the heels of some recent discourse on the trust between querying writers and agents managing submission piles, we go long on the culture of trust–or lack thereof–that exists between these two parts of the publishing industry, why it occurs, and what could fix it. We talk about the nature of ideas and copyright, the structures of the modern literary agency, publishing culture, and much more. It’s a fun and fiery episode–hope you enjoy!

Jul 3, 2024 • 56:32

Episode 169—We’re Just a Bunch of Guys

In light of yet another round of agent chaos over the weekend, we got together to talk about the information climate in publishing at large, the ways in which even well-intentioned agents can contribute to gatekeeping and access issues for writers. In an age when there are more agents, writers, and information about agents and writers than ever before, everyone could stand to examine whether they’re making publishing a less anxious and more transparent place that’s open to all types of people–or

Mar 19, 2024 • 48:38

Episode 168—You Don’t Have To Sit There

This week we get a little bit mad at the Forced Waiting that publishing imposes on all of us, and it builds to a call to arms: you–writers, agents, editors, whoever–don’t just have to wait quietly for progress to happen to you. No matter your situation in publishing, you can get out there and make something happen as a person with agency and the owner of your own career and path. We address the flipside too, of course: agents (including us!) need to adjust our habits so that there’s less silence

Feb 29, 2024 • 44:52

Episode 167—Dread, But Make It Fashion

In our first episode of 2024, we take a look at the publishing landscape for the year ahead. We believe that there could be several culminating moments of rupture or change in the near future, in everything from AI’s implementation in the industry to how workers in publishing choose to respond to their own working conditions. We get a little rowdy and we have a good time–come join us!

Jan 24, 2024 • 53:29

Episode 166—Give ‘Em What They’re Owed

This week’s theme, across multiple topics, is that workers in publishing deserve to be paid and supported in all the ways required for them to live well and do their jobs to the best of their abilities. We start with a chat about the Half Price Books Union’s contract negotiations, and finish with a look at the recent survey data from AALA. Join us!

Oct 4, 2023 • 56:10

Episode 165—Private Equity, AI, and the Techification of Publishing

This week we use two recent stories–the acquisition of Simon & Schuster by the investment firm KKR and the proliferation of Artificial Intelligence usage in various book-related shenanigans–as a way of talking about something big and broad: publishing looking more and more like the tech world each day. Why might the Silicon Valley approach to business not work in publishing, and why do these recent trends alarm us for reasons big and small, aesthetic and substantive? Join us and we’ll talk throu

Aug 16, 2023 • 48:58

Episode 164—Level Drain

In the wake of what feels like an endless round of layoffs, restructurings, consolidations, and any other corporate terms for “good people losing their jobs,” we talk about how this constant reshuffling affects the industry as a whole and specifically our jobs as agents. Spoiler alert: it’s not great! But we talk through it and let the feelings out, and do our best to express some solidarity along the way. Join us.

Jul 27, 2023 • 54:30

Episode 163—The Annual Summer Vibe-isode

We’ve had a lot of Serious Content lately and it’s a summer Friday, so come take a break with us while we chat about what we’ve got going on this summer, in terms of book stuff and otherwise. One of our more vibey episodes rather than a big heavy topic, so come hang out!

Jun 9, 2023 • 34:43

Episode 162—Turning Over the Same Leaf

This week in the wake of a LOT of agency shakeups, we asked an extremely basic question: what if the publishing world treated writers like they were professionals? This frame lets us talk about the discourse from the past few weeks, all which shares the common theme of “treating writers really poorly.” Come vent with us, come laugh with us, come imagine a better way of doing things with us.

May 23, 2023 • 48:37

Episode 161—Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss

This week we talk about everyone’s favorite publishing topic that never gives anyone anxiety: gatekeeping and access! We explore how agents can do better jobs of creating an equitable and open playing field for writers trying to break into publishing, even while inherently positioned as a “gate” between the writers and the publishers. The conversation gets to some other places too–we call conferences scams again (oops), we talk about different approaches to finding clients, and much more.

May 12, 2023 • 1:00:43

Episode 160—What is Love

We’ve heard it so many times in so many places: editors falling in love with books, agents loving manuscripts from the first page, deal announcements centered on how much every party involved LOVES the book and working with each other. To put it lightly, “love” as a publishing concept in acquisitions can be crazy-making to try to understand, anticipate, or even manufacture. This episode we talk through, in the realm of signing projects and getting book deals, what we talk about when we talk abou

Mar 29, 2023 • 46:16

Episode 159—All the Strange Silences

At many different moments in the publishing process, we are asked to stay quiet about news, or keep certain developments secret, or not post the thing we’re dying to share on social media. How come? This week we talk about the different silences in publishing–everything from etiquette during the query process to not doing a cover reveal before marketing says so. Some silences are helpful for writers, some are not, and we try to sift through what all of it means.

Mar 14, 2023 • 51:51

Episode 158—The Books That Made Us

This week we gave each other a prompt: which books have been the most transformative or influential in shaping our book careers? It’s an open-ended question and we took it that way–in this episode we talk about books we worked on, books that changed our working categories, books we loved, hated, and more. It’s a wide-ranging show that gets into all the different ways individual titles can alter how we do our jobs.

Jan 31, 2023 • 54:45

Episode 157—Fresh Off the Picket Line with Rachel Kambury

This week we were lucky enough to have HarperCollins associate editor Rachel Kambury on the show, and we talked to her all about her union’s strike, what about their working conditions led them to this historic moment, and how the industry might change in light of this watershed moment in publishing-worker solidarity. We thought it was important for folks to hear directly from the HarperCollins workers, and we’re very grateful for Rachel joining us to talk about her experience firsthand.

Dec 8, 2022 • 1:04:35

Episode 156—Welcome to Decembo

Folks, it is that time of year once again. As we set off on our yearly month of holiday memes and other nonsense, we’re adding in some real reflection on the truths that a strange, volatile year of publishing and (and life) has taught us. This episode we get a little personal and talk about the year that was, and set us off on a month of taking stock of where we’ve been and where we’re headed. It’ll be fun too, we promise!

Dec 1, 2022 • 41:39

Episode 155—Tweets and Strikes

This week we take a look at the HarperCollins Union’s strike for better working conditions, discuss the possible destruction of Twitter, and in general share how we navigate the strangest part of the book calendar–the holidays. It’s a lively grab-bag with a healthy dose of pro-labor sentiment to get your Thanksgiving week started right.

Nov 21, 2022 • 46:16

Episode 154—Object Lessons

This week’s convo starts out as a discussion of our relationships with books as physical objects and ends up… everywhere? We talk about how we associate meaning and memory with books, our reading habits, when a book actually becomes a book and not a manuscript or a draft, and plenty else. We pick at all the seams of how people interact and place value on the concept of a book, and it ends up being one of our more personal episodes. Join us!

Oct 7, 2022 • 1:08:20

Episode 153--A New Achilles Heel

This week we talk about Barnes & Noble’s decision to stock fewer hardcover titles, especially in YA and MG categories. How will this affect debut writers and marginalized creators, why might they make this choice in the first place, and how will publishers respond?

Aug 19, 2022 • 45:52

Episode 152--Show Trial

This week we talk about–what else–the court case involving the DOJ vs. PRH, regarding their attempted merger with Simon & Schuster. Specifically, we analyze how the executives testifying have been talking about the industry at large, and what it reveals about corporate publishing strategy, and how it affects authors who aren’t celebrities or politicians. If you’ve been seeing chatter about this case, this is the episode that gets you caught up. Join us!

Aug 12, 2022 • 58:08

Episode 151—The Pettisode

Pettiness! Jealousy! Stop lying, you’ve felt it as much as the next person, especially in an industry like publishing. So have we, and here we present a full, honest episode on how we process those feelings in a (hopefully) productive way. Folks, it’s time to let the darkness in–join us!

Jun 2, 2022 • 49:15

Episode 150—No Thoughts Just Toucans

This… is one of our more loose episodes ever. We sit down and catch up on everything from what we’re reading to how Laura avoids death while foraging in the woods, from an analysis of what makes a good children’s board book to how we’re carrying on during a moment of intense national trauma. Also we talk about book advances for a minute. Also we talk about toucans for a minute. At one point we get distracted by Oreos on a shelf. Come join the vibe–you’ll like it here, we promise.

May 27, 2022 • 51:19

Episode 149–Critique, Awards, and Subjectivity

This week, in light of recent heated discourse around what awards like the Lambda are “for,” we thought we’d break down why awards and indeed all literary criticism are not meant to be objective signifiers of quality, but are rather reflections of individual critical perspectives and the context that surrounds them. To be clear: we prefer it that way! Come listen and find out why.

Apr 12, 2022 • 46:56

Episode 148—All the Wrong Lessons

This week we talk about Brandon Sanderson’s wildly successful Kickstarter campaign for his next novels, a move so bold and unique that we simply have to ask: what wrong and/or inapplicable lessons will traditional publishing learn from this isolated incident? We break down why the Sanderson plan worked for him, why it won’t on a mass scale for others, and which observations we hope publishing DOESN’T make in response to it. Join us!

Mar 14, 2022 • 50:37

Episode 147—Publishing’s Great Resignation

WOW it is nice to be back in the recording studio! In our first episode this side of Erik having a child, we talk about the recent trend of editors leaving their jobs and even outright leaving the industry. What does it mean for publishing when its talent is burning out or choosing other paths at this rate? How does it affect publishing houses, our work as agents, and writers? Join us for the beginning of a new era of Print Run–we’re here, we’re energized, and we can’t wait to get back in touch

Mar 1, 2022 • 59:16

Episode 146—The Baby Hane-isode

On the “season finale” episode before Erik goes on paternity leave for a few months, we talk about the many swirling feelings around going on leave in the publishing industry, artistic anxiety in the face of looming parenthood, how we’ve thought about our professional goals in relation to the actual fabric of our lives, and the ways we’ve tried to create sustainable ways of making sure our work and art flow from our actual life, and not the other way around. It’s a personal episode on the (poten

Sep 27, 2021 • 56:46

Episode 145—RWA Madness, or: What Should Literary Institutions Actually Do?

After another RWA mess surrounding their recent issuing of the Vivian Award, we use the occasion to ask a fundamental question: what’s the point of these organizations, and how can we make them do what we actually want them to do? We talk about how institutions like RWA--or really any big literary collective--could be used to do what we actually need: supporting writers who wouldn’t otherwise have the networks they need, get its members useful information and opportunities, and push publishing i

Aug 18, 2021 • 45:43

Episode 144—The Summer To Loon-isode

This week, we made the whole plane out of To Loon It May Concerns. We spent the episode answering your most burning and specific publishing questions, from all corners of the writing and publishing world. Come hang out for a free-flowing advice session!

Aug 18, 2021 • 50:07

Episode 143—Irreplaceable

It’s summer, and in publishing that means one thing: we’re all getting each other’s out-of-offices. In this episode we talk about how, actually, that’s a good thing--it underscores that people in the industry are irreplaceable, that so much of what we do is built on real and lasting connections we have with other specific colleagues, and how as much as the powers that be would like us to believe that they could find someone else to do any of our jobs, it simply isn’t true. What would publishing

Jun 22, 2021 • 49:41

Episode 142—Change the Frame

This week we take a look at the far too slanted battlefield on which people who want change in publishing are forced to fight--and how, rather than responding to each new publishing injustice on a case by case basis, we might try instead to change the terms of engagement in our favor. On the heels of the deceptive phrase “we came to publish, not to cancel,” we argue that even in accepting the implied definitions of either word we’re ceding crucial ground. Join us for a wide-ranging episode that

Jun 2, 2021 • 58:34

Episode 141—Science, Fake Science, and Publishing

This week we talk about the state of nonfiction publishing amidst the changing conditions of both the industry and the wider world--how has a pandemic and political turbulence affected our relationship to “truth” and “expertise” in books? We talk through the new moment of popular science publishing, as well as how it might follow the arc we saw over prior years in more explicitly political publishing. Then, to finish, a To Loon It May Concern about how to manage trope fatigue in genre fiction, e

Apr 12, 2021 • 57:17

Episode 140—Speculation on the Speculative

This week we take on a term we all love but can never quite pin down: speculative fiction. What do industry people--and readers--mean when they say “speculative,” and what does the distinction between aesthetics, genre, and prestige with regard to the term say about the market at large? What are we talking about when we, as book people, talk about speculative fiction? Come help us work through it.

Apr 6, 2021 • 53:10

Episode 139— Taste and Agency

This week we take a look at Laura McGrath’s fascinating paper on how literary agents shape the acquisitions landscape. It’s got a lot of insights we agree with and some things we push back on a bit, but overall the conversation ends up being a close look at what “taste” actually is, how people in our position exist in relation to corporate power, and much more. Join us! The paper we discuss is here, for your reference: https://academic.oup.com/alh/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/alh/ajab00

Mar 15, 2021 • 1:00:17

Episode 138—Literary Survival

This week, we unpack a fascinating essay about the ways in which Philip Roth managed his authorial image and career, and the various questions it raises about what “success” is, how to be a good literary citizen, and what happens when an author’s “brand” becomes a part of their writing itself. It’s a conversation about moving and shaking in the modern literary landscape, how social media changes that thinking, how it all relates to power, and how it connects to the art that gets made in this env

Mar 9, 2021 • 53:03

Episode 137—THE BACKISODE

We’re back! In our first episode since going on leave in late 2020, we talk about how our approach and views toward the industry may have shifted since our time of last recording. This transitions into a conversation about the public performance of “working” on social media, and leads to a conversation about the interplay between social media posturing and power in the industry--spoiler alert: that power dynamic needs some fixing. It’s great to be back, and we’re so glad you’re joining us again!

Feb 22, 2021 • 43:53

Episode 136—Thinking Small

After updating our discussion on the ethics of “news” books in light of Bob Woodward’s new controversial book, we use the occasion of Headwater’s first birthday to talk about the state of modern publishing, where boutique presses and agencies fit in, how the industry could survive and sustain itself moving forward, and much more. It’s a wide-ranging conversation about how, contrary to common wisdom, publishing may need to “think smaller” in order to be the most effective version of itself.

Sep 15, 2020 • 55:36

Episode 135—The Publishing Binary

It’s great to be back! This week we catch up on some recent discussions in the book world, by way of first talking through why IP projects can be so beneficial for everyone involved, and then about various events that all revolve around the faulty ways that publishing sees gender. Join us!

Aug 26, 2020 • 54:13

Episode 134—The Letter

This week we talk about the open letter published in Harper’s that supposedly advocates for free speech and open debate--we think it’s actually an argument for something far more pernicious, and on this episode we talk through why. It’s a conversation on power, platform, censorship, and related issues, and we think you’ll find it useful! Special episodes for the month coming soon. You can submit work for those or just write to us at printrunpodcast@gmail.com. Thanks as always for your support!

Jul 14, 2020 • 1:00:46

Episode 133—Weird, Weird Summer

Well, it’s summer. Typically that’s a slow period in publishing, but this year feels different for a variety of reasons we try to work through in our discussion, along with some thoughts on how our work might change when the supposed “busy season” hits this fall. How has this pandemic changed the way we see our own working lives and those of our clients? All that and more, including an update on Erik’s new foray into science fiction, and a To Loon It May Concern.

Jun 23, 2020 • 51:28

Episode 132—Pressure Points

This week, on the heels of what feels like a whole slew of notable publishing stories in response to heightened discussions on race and privilege in the industry, we talk about whiteness. This is a crucial moment in our industry (and of course in the country at large), and it is going to require white people being willing to engage in substantive self-criticism and action that gets beyond the usual expressions of allyship or “correct opinion.” We talk through the need to not shy away from discom

Jun 10, 2020 • 56:28

Episode 131—Welcome to the OmergerdVerse

This week, we’re talking about a fascinating copyright case involving two authors working within a larger fanfiction universe known as the Omegaverse. It’s . . . a lot, as you’ll soon find out, but it’s also potentially a precursor for how large media corporations could move in on lucrative open-source writing projects. Then we have a quick discussion about shmagencies, and draw a key distinction: agencies that are bad for writers, and agencies that are bad for the agents working at them. Join u

May 27, 2020 • 47:13

Episode 130—The Bookstore at the End of the World, featuring Genay Jackson and Wynne Kontos

This week we are excited to have an interview with Genay Jackson and Wynne Kontos, two booksellers who are a part of the Bookstore at the End of the World. They tell us about their experience being laid off at the start of the pandemic, how publishing can treat its booksellers with the respect and value they deserve, and how bookselling is about people and community more than any physical location.

May 12, 2020 • 50:43

Episode 129—VAMPIRES BACK

This week, with the announcement of Stephenie Meyer’s forthcoming book, we take on a question as old as time itself: are vampires back? It’s a conversation about how trends are formed, what they mean, and how publishing responds to them, and it ends up transitioning into a discussion on switching categories as a writer too. Join us! Also, we realize that the audio quality is worse now that we are recording remotely during quarantine. Thank you for bearing with us as we work on a better solution

May 5, 2020 • 42:22

Episode 128—“Am I Good Enough?”

As a means of trying to be more uplifting than recent weeks, we take on that everpresent fear all writers have: in relation to publishing, are you good enough? Obviously craft and skill matter, but here we reframe the question to one of constantly changing conditions and markets, rather than anything you can control--this should feel liberating, because no one has a good prediction for what’s “on trend” or will be, or how acquisitions might look even a few months from now. Just write!

Apr 21, 2020 • 46:35

Episode 127—Publishing’s Pandemic Response

This week, we talk about the ways in which publishing has, has not, and could respond to the new conditions presented by the pandemic, and why certain choices made well before 2020 have set up current difficulties. We also take a look at a very topical coronavirus book, and debate whether this sort of quick, reactive publishing is a good strategy in a time like this.

Apr 7, 2020 • 56:59

Episode 126—Socially Distanced

From our own respective isolations, we do a nice little wellness check on each other, and talk about how coronavirus has affected our work, the publishing industry, and even how we and other book people might view concepts like “productivity” moving forward. How will such a massive disruption affect the industry? No one knows, but we talk through a few ideas and in general just catch up.

Mar 24, 2020 • 56:52

Episode 125—Print Run Live, featuring Eric Smith!

This week’s episode is a recording of our live show from last week at Subtext Books here in Saint Paul, where we talked with Eric Smith about his new novel DON’T READ THE COMMENTS, how he balances agent and author life, being a positive internet presence in an age of cynicism, and much more.

Mar 10, 2020 • 55:45

Episode 124—Publishing About Publishing

We talk about the announced deal for the novel The Other Black Girl, a great-sounding book set within the publishing industry that will surely generate all sorts of discussion. We then discuss how publishers themselves might do a better job of investing in indie bookstores, and other infrastructure they rely on to succeed. This week’s To Loon It May Concern centers on deciding between experienced agents versus newer ones. Join us!

Feb 25, 2020 • 57:45

Episode 123—Work Life

We’re back! Laura recently transitioned to agenting full time, and now that the dust has cleared it gives us the chance to talk about the strange calculations in work-life balance nearly everyone in publishing is making, why so many agents have second jobs (and why that’s not something often discussed), and how this culture of broadcasting how busy we all are creates a paradox with the fact that we never talk about our work outside the field.

Feb 18, 2020 • 58:59

Episode 122—American Dirt

This week, in addition to singing some sweet 90s pop, we talk through the many facets of the mess surrounding the novel American Dirt. What does this whole saga reveal about publishing’s biases, how review coverage intersects with promotion, or what gets prioritized by publishers in media at the expense of other projects? We discuss all that and more. Join us!

Jan 28, 2020 • 1:03:57

Episode 121—Every Item on the Menu

After a quick RWA update, we try to do a segment on resolutions and predictions for 2020, and while we do end up getting there after some deft transition work, we somehow end up talking about the St. Paul cafe scene? Anyway, we talk about interrogating one’s own taste, why SF/F might become more “literary” this year, a new outlook on reading submissions, and a lot more. Join us!

Jan 14, 2020 • 47:24

Episode 120—RWA, and What Writing Institutions Should Be

In the wake of the still-unfolding RWA mess, we share our perspectives on what’s gone so badly wrong, and why we feel these problems are--at least in part--intrinsic to the sort of writing institution that RWA has become. From there, we talk about what large writing associations should pay careful attention to as they build, so as to root out the sorts of problems we’re seeing now.

Dec 31, 2019 • 57:50

Episode 119—The Holiday Party

It’s a pretty loose one this week. We talk about where we’re at as we draw toward the end of the year, share some memories from the year, give a delicious recipe for Oreo balls, it’s a whole thing. Come hang out; pretty easy listening today.

Dec 17, 2019 • 48:43

Episode 118—The Decembosode

This week we talk through the reason for the season, in this stretch after National Novel Writing Month--self-editing and evaluation, and how to decide when something is ready to show others and progress in the publishing process. Join us for a conversation on how we make those calls in our own work, and ways you can see your own writing in that more detached, professional light.

Dec 10, 2019 • 51:19

Episode 117—The One Before Thanksgiving

This episode covers an interesting recent piece on the continual publishing of right-wing garbage books, how best to design a contest or grant for marginalized creators (and how that project can go awry), and a To Loon It May Concern about how authors with big platforms should behave online. Join us!

Nov 26, 2019 • 55:31

Episode 116—Hope, Risk, and Tinfoil

After checking in on #NaNoWriMo, we talk about the recent PW article that wondered aloud whether publishing is “too top-heavy.” It is, but not for the reasons the article suggests! Then we debut our rousing new segment titled “Laura’s Tinfoil Hat,” which is exactly what you think it is, and close with a To Loon It May Concern.

Nov 12, 2019 • 54:17

Episode 115—Doing Some Swears

This week we talk about the new California law that’s supposedly designed to help freelancers, but in practice will further devalue their work and the work of staff writers at publications. From there, we talk about a discussion about Netflix that stemmed out of the Frankfurt Book Fair—are they competitors or allies in publishing? As ever, you can submit materials to our special shows at printrunpodcast@gmail.com. New Patreon shows coming soon!

Oct 23, 2019 • 52:33

Episode 114—Working Both Sides

After a quick response to the Booker award announcement and a note on censorship, today we talk about the unique dynamic of people in publishing also being creators who get published. What can be learned from people who work in publishing and also write? What does it show us about the industry? Finally, we close the week with a TLIMC about how conscientious book-buying. Join us!

Oct 15, 2019 • 55:57

Episode 113—Sinners in the Hands of an Angry Loon

This week’s discussion is centered on the idea of long versus short-term expectations in artistic careers, the pressures that make thinking about both difficult, and the role agents play in helping writers see beyond the most immediate project. Also included: a check-in on the Audible case, layoffs at Sports Illustrated, and a thought on EU tariffs and books.

Oct 8, 2019 • 56:38

Episode 112—Nashville

We’re back from Nashville, where we attended the Digital Book World conference! We talk about what we saw at the conference and recap the evening in which we were lucky enough to walk away with a podcasting award. It’s a convo about the state of political nonfiction, brown drinks, the internet, and the publishing job market. Join us!

Sep 17, 2019 • 50:39

Episode 111—The Big New Thing

After quickly running through the publishing news of the past few weeks and deciding whether each thing is Good or Bad, we talk about some news of our own: as of today, we’ve launched our own agency and are open for business. We talk a little about our new agenting home, and then get into a To Loon It May Concern about power dynamics, respect, and agent etiquette online. Join us!

Sep 10, 2019 • 59:31

Episode 110—Preorders, Crossovers, and the Ways Publishers and Readers Engage

This week we talk about how the new emphasis on preorders for book sales has changed the way books are purchased, discussed, marketed, and evaluated by publishers. It’s a self-reinforcing feedback loop between publishers and book buyers, and it’s a trend with weird ramifications. Then, we talk through the idea of “crossover” books--who creates them, publishers or readerships? In all, it’s an episode about the interactions between the people selling and the people buying books, and how that inter

Aug 20, 2019 • 57:08

Episode 109—Who Wants Some Pie

After a rousing conversation about 1) pie and 2) the joys of novels that can’t be made into good movies, we talk about Macmillan’s new decision to restrict library purchases of ebooks. The (questionable) choice leads to some fundamental questions about the publishing and reading landscape: do libraries help or hurt publisher sales? How does an ebook differ from a print book, in terms of library usage and even just as a product bought and sold?

Aug 6, 2019 • 57:38

Episode 108—Caption This

That classic online book retailer / Pentagon contract candidate is at it again, folks. With the announcement of Audible’s new audiobook feature called “Captions,” we talk about how it mostly amounts to an audacious rights infringement, one that fits perfectly in line with Amazon’s larger cohesive project of devaluing books as a means of swallowing the industry whole. We discuss the possible strategies behind rolling out something as nakedly infringing as this feature, and then look at another ne

Jul 23, 2019 • 59:28

Episode 107—July, July

It’s hot and muggy out, and we use that as an opportunity to examine one of publishing’s oldest pieces of conventional wisdom, that the industry grinds to a halt in the summer. We discuss how, rather than truly slowing down, the work over summer in books changes; we talk about soft pitching, research, conferences, and the other things that make publishing not a seasonal industry but one with a rhythm we’ve all come to rely on. Also, Laura is hopelessly hooked on a phone game and we try to Work T

Jul 16, 2019 • 52:14

Episode 106—The One with the Paint Fumes

Hello from the recording studio, where a large paint job is in progress--but it’s only making the takes stronger. Today we talk about the recent New York Times article about the rampant fraud and counterfeit problem on Amazon, and then contrast it with a GOOD publishing thing, the success of Minotaur Books and their fascinating approach to achieving it. Plus a To Loon It May Concern at the end. Join us! Special episodes for June are out already, and July’s are on the way. As always, you can sen

Jul 2, 2019 • 54:41

Episode 105—What Should Agents Do?

...It’s a big, open-ended question, but it’s one we ask ourselves this week with regard to how the role of agents and agencies could shift to meet the needs of modern publishing. We talk through some big ideas and some small tweaks, and have a wide-ranging conversation on how agenting could look different--for both agents themselves and the authors they work with.

Jun 18, 2019 • 58:30

Episode 104—The Cancelers Become The Canceled

This week, in light of the Natasha Tynes story, we discuss the trend of books being canceled by publishers due to bad behavior online by their authors. In a time when authors often find themselves harassed online with the intent of driving them off platforms or costing them opportunities, how can we make sure that decisions in response to internet outrage are made properly and based on the right reasons? Do publishers really have a track record that should make us trust them in some of these val

Jun 11, 2019 • 49:16

Episode 103—Talking About Talking About Books (with Nathan Goldman)

This week we’re joined by literary critic and editor Nathan Goldman to talk about the current state of book discourse, and the role literary criticism plays in the broader publishing ecosystem, especially in the age of Goodreads and Amazon consumer reviews. We discuss blurbs, boosterism, book twitter, the importance of “negative” or nuanced reviews, and how editors decide what gets reviewed and when. It’s a fun conversation that takes good stock of the patterns of contemporary book discussion, s

May 28, 2019 • 51:01

Episode 102—The Hope-isode

After a few weeks of covering various bits of doom and gloom in the publishing world, people asked us: “why would you or anyone want to take part in this industry?” That’s actually a very good question, and in this episode, which fixates on what we find hopeful about the book world as it currently exists, we try to answer it. We get into why we stick around, what motivates us in the book world, what points of light we see on the horizon. Join us and hopefully you’ll feel good too.

May 14, 2019 • 53:12

Episode 101—Print Run Morning Drive Time Radio Hour

We recorded in the morning this time, and the results… the results are something. In light of publishers turning down Woody Allen’s memoir, we talk about the publisher role as tastemaker--and how far too often and increasingly frequently, they choose to abdicate that responsibility. We also talk about a new interesting copyright protection act for small creators, as well as a new troubling shakeup in the book-distribution landscape. Join us!

May 7, 2019 • 41:19

Episode 100—Print Run 100

We’ve made it to our 100th episode! Mostly this week we spend a little time reflecting on where the show has been, how it’s changed itself and us, and how the book world we’ve been talking about since late 2016 has progressed. Come hang out--it’s a fun, reflective episode that gives us all a chance to take stock of the last 100 Weeks Of Books!

Apr 23, 2019 • 58:11

Episode 99—WGA Walks Away

Our main conversation this week is about the recent decision by the Writers Guild of America to push forward in encouraging its members to fire their agents, despite mounting pressure and uncertainty for the writers in their ranks. It’s a really noteworthy (and brave!) step that cuts to the heart of so many issues of how entertainment and publishing treat their creators. Join us as we try to make sense of it.

Apr 16, 2019 • 56:21

Episode 98—You Betcha

After some lighter conversation about Laura’s recent Wisconsin book trip, what we’re reading, and who the writerly voice of the millennial generation might be, we talk about Stacey Abrams’s romance-novel-themed appearance on Colbert, a recent discussion about whether the Bad Sex Awards are reflections of America’s latent puritanism, and the larger question of how sex writing intersects with notions of prestige and acclaim in the literary world. It’s warm out, we’re wearing shorts, come hang out.

Apr 9, 2019 • 1:01:54

Episode 97—The April Fools

In light of another RITA award controversy, we discuss the different ways that the literary world hands out prizes, and discuss the interplay between readers, writers, and critics when it comes to shaping the awards landscape. Plus, a discussion about a very good publishing op-ed in the Guardian in a new edition of “What’s Going On Down There?”, and a To Loon It May Concern about what to do when the Writer Internet becomes counterproductive to your work.

Apr 2, 2019 • 1:04:43

Episode 96—The English Patients

We’re back, with a recap of our time at the London Book Fair! It was a trip that reminded us of where we sit in the vast constellation of publishing as an industry, and we got to see how the rubber meets the road in foreign-rights sales too. Come hang out for one of our chattier episodes, full of some Publishing Truths and also just some trip recap as well. It’s good to be back!

Mar 26, 2019 • 59:35

Episode 95—Comps, Comps, Comps

This week’s episode is all about comp titles--far from being just something you put in a query letter, comps are how the whole industry talks to itself, and in many ways that practice has come to shape publishing in significant ways. If every book’s prospects exist in relation to a different, preexisting book, how does that change what gets published, and how?

Feb 26, 2019 • 1:03:05

Episode 94—Speaking To The Manager

This week’s show features a discussion on the tricky nature of writing fiction about real historical figures, and the heavy responsibility a writer carries in managing source material, historical gaps, and power dynamics. Then, separately, we talk about how agents and authors might balance the much-justified desire for industry transparency with the fact that the author-agent relationship is, well, human and complicated; how can both parties work together to find a place where everyone’s comfort

Feb 19, 2019 • 1:08:20

Episode 93—Grammar and Power

In this week’s show, we discuss everyone’s favorite topic: grammar. How do certain conventions in grammar, syntax, and punctuation end up as class signifiers or tools for enforcing other systems of power? We talk style guides, copy editing, the new book on grammar by Benjamin Dreyer, and plenty else. Also: the horrors of magazine submission fees, and a new letter to the Loon.

Feb 12, 2019 • 1:00:36

Episode 92—We’re Not Teching Our Way Out of This

We survived the cold! This week we take a look at Wattpad’s new plan to create a full-service publisher and “revolutionize” the media industry (lol), especially in light of further traditional imprint closures and consolidations. Then, we examine that bonkers New Yorker story about Dan Mallory, and discuss how and why some people in the publishing world are allowed to be eccentric liars and self-mythologizers while others never even get a chance to tell the truth. And a To Loon It May Concern at

Feb 5, 2019 • 57:02

Episode 91—Writing Viral

In light of the NYT’s critical response to the debut story collection from Kristen Roupenian (author of “Cat Person”), we trace the publishing route from the initial story’s viral success to where the collection is at now, and talk fairly extensively about how publishing handles and responds to viral success. We see a connection between that response and publishing’s newfound desire for first-person narratives readers can “see themselves” in--so much so that a whole imprint has started to publis

Jan 22, 2019 • 47:51

Episode 90—Everybody Settle Down

This week, we take stock of three bizarre and unsettling publishing stories: the apparent missteps in the reporting and fact-checking in Jill Abramson’s new book, the author Sherrilyn Kenyon filing a lawsuit over having been poisoned, and to top it all off, Kathleen Hale getting another book deal that strangely seems to celebrate the fact that she tracked down a Goodreads reviewer to her home. It’s a mix of the weird, and we try to draw some larger lessons for publishing out of the mess. Join us

Jan 15, 2019 • 46:13

Episode 89—Welcome To Another Year Of Books

Happy new year, everyone! On the first Print Run of 2019, We take a look at the year ahead by going through what we’re excited about in the book world, what we’re scared of, predictions, and resolutions. We’ll make it a great year in which certainly nothing will ever happen that makes us mad at all!

Jan 8, 2019 • 41:22

Episode 88—Print Run Holiday Gift Guide 2018!

Folks, it’s that time of year again. After a riveting new edition of everyone’s favorite Australia-themed segment What’s Going On Down There, we get into some gift suggestions for the Print Run fan in your life. This obviously ranges from the genuinely useful (electric tea kettle!) to the—uh, less so. Anyway, join us for a loose and fun episode that’s sure to warm the cold recesses of your frozen heart.

Dec 11, 2018 • 44:09

Episode 87—Scandal Makers

As we come back from a few weeks off, we spent this episode getting caught up on all the times people in the book world got mad recently, including the Nora Roberts-Tomi Adeyemi kerfuffle (and spinoff argument!), a poet who tattooed a plagiarized verse on her forearm, and people getting mad at JK Rowling for—let’s see here—having a room in which she writes. So basically it’s another normal week of publishing!!!!!! We also get to Jonathan Franzen’s ten rules for writing novels, which were, well.

Dec 4, 2018 • 50:34

Episode 86—Trial and Error

This week we pay respects to Marvel Comics’ Stan Lee, who died this week at age 95. Then we get into one of the most pervasive yet undiscussed topics in all of publishing: failure. Trying things that don’t work is the signature trait of nearly every facet of the industry, and yet it’s so rarely brought to light in the way successes understandably are. We talk about how failure has informed our respective approaches to agenting, and how working in the industry can feel like its own sort of creati

Nov 13, 2018 • 55:32

Episode 85—The Celebs are At It Again

Folks . . . The celebs, there are so many. This week--after digging into a delightful historical episode of a book-theft epidemic in Australia—we explore the concept of celebrity book clubs and their effect on the publishing industry. How does the desire to land a book with Oprah or Reese Witherspoon or Jimmy Fallon change how certain projects get published? And what do those celebrities get, brand-wise, in return? We also look at how tech like Instagram and even newer platforms like Twitch have

Nov 6, 2018 • 51:44

Episode 84—Red Dead Novel Writing Month

This week, after working through our thoughts on National Novel Writing Month (happy writing, everyone!), we discuss the intriguing critical response to the video game “Red Dead Redemption 2.” Apart from it being widely loved, people are specifically enjoying how difficult and tedious it is in spots--is this still an experience readers have with particularly large or difficult books? We talk about the differences between playing and reading, and wonder if seeing games as texts might be able to i

Oct 30, 2018 • 58:52

Episode 83—Post-Wedded Bliss

We’re back! Fresh off the both of us having our respective weddings, we get caught up quickly on the last few weeks of publishing news before diving into the topic of creative and literary burnout. When someone working in a creative field is feeling low energy, how might that affect their habits, or their reading tastes, or even the types of projects they choose to work on? In publishing, taste is a public matter; when yours changes, it can be tricky to grapple with that out loud, in front of th

Oct 23, 2018 • 56:22

Episode 82—Awards and Canons

We’ve got freshly announced National Book Award and Man Booker finalist lists to discuss, so we give our impressions on what we’re seeing, how these lists relates to the broad Book Conversation that’s been happening throughout the year, and how we feel the winners might shake out. It offers a nice foundation for our other topic, a look at a recent attempt by NYMag/Vulture to create an early twenty-first century canon. The task is obviously impossible, but we talk about their methodology, and sha

Sep 24, 2018 • 1:01:06

Episode 81—The Machine Made Me Do It

This week, we found a very strange new “writing residency” model that, while obviously dangerous in this instance, we feel could crop up more and more. The sheer precarity of the writing life is going to lead to different institutions offering “solutions” that at first might seem attractive, but must be watched closely. Also, in light of two book-tech-related stories from the past couple weeks, we make a simple request: don’t let creators of sales algorithms and other digital publishing technolo

Sep 20, 2018 • 50:21

Episode 80—Hedging Bets

This week, after swatting another terrible article about YA literature out of the sky, we talk about the perceived moral stands publishers are able with regard to “controversial” authors. Publishers often wait until the most obviously lucrative moment to support marginalized authors and their projects, and also refuse to cut bait with toxic authors until the last possible instant, when their hand becomes forced. How do morality clauses let publishers hedge their bets while still claiming a suppo

Sep 10, 2018 • 49:44

Episode 79—To Loon It May Concern

This week we debut our new advice-column segment, where we try get a handle on the messiest book situations our listeners have found themselves in. We’ve got some critique-group quandaries this week, which felt like a good place to start. Also: please, please send us your messiest, stupidest, and most dramatic publishing-related qualms! Email the bird. Let the healing in. Special episodes for the month will all be out by end of this week (still August, baby!). As always, you can send us materi

Aug 30, 2018 • 49:44

Episode 78—Soap, Crimes, and Deckled Edges

Laura’s back from WorldCon, so we catch up by talking about all sorts of things, from the convention itself and the YA “soap controversy,” to the dangers of grifty politics books and everyone’s favorite book design feature, the deckled edge. A fun, free-flowing episode in which we’re mostly just happy to be back in the studio!

Aug 22, 2018 • 52:08

Episode 77—Call and Response

On the heels of recent publishing news as well as the response to NYT’s hiring of Sarah Jeong, this week’s show focuses on a phenomenon that is only going to get more common: bad-faith mobs appealing to power in an attempt to have writers or artists fired. We talk about how publishers and magazines should be prepared to respond to this sort of pernicious internet campaign, and how developing those responses is going to be key in the effort to publish essential voices in the modern age. Also incl

Aug 7, 2018 • 52:24

Episode 76—The One With the Curry Recipe

This week, in the deepest valley of the summer doldrums, we mostly just catch up and talk about various things on our agenting plates: what we’re reading, how summer work in publishing is going, becoming a crusty lake monster in a canoe, and plenty more. Meandering and fun, because it’s hot out. Also, Laura gives a delightful curry recipe, which got inserted into this episode because . . . Because we just really think curry is delicious, and no possible reason other than that. Happy cooking!

Jul 31, 2018 • 58:09

Episode 75—Something Rotten

We dig into this week’s allegations of fraud in the agent world, as well as the problems with this year’s WorldCon. Both topics serve as a means of asking a larger question: on the front end of publishing, what are all our structures actually built on? The truth is that, between agents and authors looking to pair up before any publishing money gets involved, so much of this industry runs on integrity and trust. That presents opportunities, but it also makes the writing world susceptible to fraud

Jul 26, 2018 • 56:46

Print Run RPG: Character Creation!

Welcome, at long last, to Print Run’s first foray into Call of Cthulhu! In this preview episode, the two of us set the stage by creating the characters we’ll use to play through the game. In a revelation that will shock no one, it turns out Intern Kevin has a bunch of useless knowledge and no functional ability whatsoever. Meanwhile, Jane seems to have a ruthless combination of ambition and skill. For the game itself, be sure to check us out on Patreon! Thanks so much for listening; we love try

Jul 17, 2018 • 18:33

Episode 74 — Escapism vs. Activism

This week, we tackle a fundamental question of the writing life in our current political moment: should writing fiction help us escape realities for a while, or should it offer thoughtful engagement? The answer as always is layered and nuanced and multifold. We also answer a listener question about personal responsibility with regard to Amazon: if Amazon provides the best publishing route for a writer’s career, is it okay to take that route? The answer is yes, but it opens all sorts of interesti

Jul 3, 2018 • 50:18

A Note on Funds for Kid Lit Says No Kids in Cages

Just an abbreviated discussion this week, because you guys gave us so much to do! We are incredibly heartened by how much money you all raised for organizations fighting child separation on the border. You came together and raised nearly $1500, which is no small feat. Now we’ve gotta go do the query critiques in return, so this week is just a quick chat on how political issues like this should absolutely be directly addressed by the book publishing community. Thank you so much for you donations!

Jun 26, 2018 • 18:18

Episode 73—Speculation on the Speculative

This week’s show takes a look at the subtle differences between categories like literary science fiction/fantasy and speculative fiction, first in terms of craft and then in terms of selling category. What we find is that those two spheres are separate: the way an author envisions their own work often doesn’t line up with how it’s sold. So what makes a story with speculative or otherworldly elements “literary” or “SFF,” and how does that affect its writing, its readers, and the way it’s pitched

Jun 19, 2018 • 50:33

Episode 72—What About the Money

This week we tackle an underlying, often silent argument put forth to writers by many different parties in publishing: that the money one might get from writing books should be considered unsustainable and an afterthought. How does this strange yet common thinking affect the industry as a whole, and how does it affect authors in less stable financial situations? Does it change the way an agent approaches the career-planning aspect of working with a client? It’s a convo about the strange ways the

Jun 12, 2018 • 44:05

Episode 71—One Weird Trick

Goodreads released a fascinating article about how the team behind Celeste Ng’s Little Fires Everywhere used the site to fuel the book’s rise to the bestseller list, so we dig into it and examine what surprised us about the data, what might be replicable for other books, and how tools like Goodreads work in conjunction with other publicity and marketing strategies in publishing. We also give an excellent recap of BookExpo (we uhhhh weren’t there), and spend a minute on that new Clinton/Patterson

Jun 5, 2018 • 50:14

Episode 70—At the Top of Our Voice

This week we hash out the latest updates to #cockygate, because Book Twitter will never stop and neither will we. We also spend some time on the major embezzlement case coming from Chuck Palahniuk’s agency; it’s a bizarre situation that once again leaves an agency’s authors footing the bill. Also, all of Erik’s queries are from David Brooks fans now, which he is THRILLED about. Join us!

May 30, 2018 • 46:13

Episode 69—The Publishing Ecosystem

In light of Romantic Times closing, we talk about how certain publishing institutions come to occupy indispensable spaces within the publishing community, and how part of moving the industry forward will involve understanding how those spaces work and adapting accordingly. It’s a convo about the roles we each play within the larger system, and what those roles can tell us about how we should imagine them in the future. Join us!

May 22, 2018 • 53:39

Episode 68—Publishing D&D

Things get a bit off the rails this week when a conversation about tabletop gaming eventually turns into us imagining what a publishing-themed D&D campaign might look like! Join us as we conjure up some characters and quests—I get to be Intern Kevin, I called it—and just generally get way too into the idea of a publishing RPG. (But also please will someone set this up with us?) In a more productive vein, be sure to tune in for our special episodes this month on Patreon. If you’d like to submi

May 15, 2018 • 55:38

Episode 67—Cocky

We’re back and thank goodness, because tons has happened in the book world over the last couple weeks. First, we tackle the serious stuff—the latest set of abuse allegations against literary figures, including those leading to the cancellation of the 2018 Nobel Prize for literature. But then we take on the latest book-themed crackpot scheme: #cockygate, or one author’s attempt to trademark the word “cocky” and demand that all other authors cease and desist. It’s . . . Well, it’s really something

May 8, 2018 • 49:05

Episode 66 — Vinegar Hearts

This week—after spending a couple minutes chatting about the insanity of the dumb fight about misandry in publishing—we take a look at the recent industry conversation surround Pitch Wars and entrance fees. The debate last week led to all kinds of important questions: What’s access, and why is it crucial for it to be free? What’s labor, and who should do the compensating for it? And perhaps most importantly, what do the two sides of the argument reveal about the state of the industry at the gras

Apr 10, 2018 • 48:56

Episode 65 — Branding is Being

This week, we talk about Sean Penn’s deeply terrible debut novel, and give him the First Pages Show treatment—it’s very cathartic. We also discuss the implications of Microsoft cracking down on explicit content across its online platforms, which includes Office, which means it includes writers. Finally: what should we make of the response to the distribution plan for John Oliver’s book, and what does the rift between Chronicle and booksellers reveal about the state of the industry?

Apr 3, 2018 • 46:53

Episode 64 — The OCTOCOM

This week we present a heartwarming tale about the time when stupid college-aged Erik thought he had a TV agent for a script about an octopus. It’s . . . well it’s really something, and most importantly, he’s not the idiot he used to be! Join us this week for some story time and other chatting on a free-flowing and fun episode.

Mar 27, 2018 • 45:03

Episode 63—The Novel is Dead Now, Everyone Go Home

This week, we get some laughs in about Will Self's belief that the novel is dying as an art form, share some stories of good and bad book events, briefly discuss the John Oliver-Mike Pence book kerfuffle, and have a quick conversation about publishers favoring brand-name authors over debuts. A cheerful episode, so come join us! Also sorry in advance for the Ben Shapiro impression, it's . . . it's really something.

Mar 21, 2018 • 47:36

Episode 62—Self on the Shelf

We're back! This week we talk about the new "Kent Test" for evaluating diverse representation in books, and then broaden out to discuss what effects things like the Bechdel Test have on our discussions about art. We also debate what moral responsibility authors should have when a press becomes "toxic," (hint: not that much), and then gripe about what books go on a display bookshelf because at the end of the day, dear listener, we are petty people. Join us!

Mar 13, 2018 • 1:05:02

Episode 61—The Kids are All Right

Curtis Dawkins, author of The Graybar Hotel, is back in the news this week, as the Michigan penitentiary in which he is currently imprisoned has stated it believes it has a claim to his royalty money from the book. We discuss the implications of this pending case, prison's relationship with art (guess what, it's bad), and why publishing folks should care about this more than they currently do. Also: in light of Florida teens finding their activist voices in the wake of the Parkland shooting, wha

Feb 27, 2018 • 52:02

Episode 60 — Making Publishing Safer

This week, after discussing Washington Post’s incorporation of Amazon’s proprietary data into their bestseller lists, we discuss what appears to be the onset of book publishing’s reckoning with sexual harassment and abuse. Similar to other industries, how can the book world do an honest and sufficient job of examining the structures of power that allow these things to take place? What can an industry that by all accounts would like to be a more inclusive and safe place for everyone do to correct

Feb 13, 2018 • 50:25

Episode 59—The NBA Goes Worldwide

This week, we examine the fascinating decision by the National Book Awards to introduce a category for translated literature. What does this mean for our concept of a “national” award, and how might this category be used to extend literary “citizenship” to books and writing that readers in this country may have previously considered “un-American”? We discuss how adding the category changes the award in a fundamental way (for the better), and what it could mean for cultivating the canon moving fo

Feb 6, 2018 • 45:06

Episode 58—Old Presses, New Novelists, and a Tactical Podcasting Vest

Folks, this week it’s a smattering of things: in light of being placed on a “best podcasts for first-time novelists” list, we thought it would be a good idea to, well, provide some advice to those people. We also spend a few minutes on the incomparable Ursula Le Guin, talk about that Alex Jones book proposal, and break down exactly why it’s such a big deal that the University Press of Kentucky might face shutdown from budget cuts (spoiler alert: it’s because we desperately need university presse

Jan 30, 2018 • 52:42

Episode 57 — Power-Move Blue

This week, we take a look at the recent controversy surrounding the Midwest Writers Workshop, and make some suggestions as to how the national and regional writing communities might be able to avoid such things in the future. We tie it a larger misguided impulse by some in the writing/publishing world to make their spaces “apolitical,” an impossible task that often carries an underlying motive itself. To wrap up, a check-in on how last year’s changes to the NYT bestseller list have affected the

Jan 23, 2018 • 54:19

Episode 56—50 Shades of Loon

Happy new year! We ring in 2018 by discussing the many publishing details of the fervor surrounding Michael Wolff’s Fire and Fury. Success for publishers is always good, but a few things about this project have both of us slightly worried. And then, at long last, we finally pay off our bet from the 2017 award season, by reading some excerpts from the 50 Shades of Grey series. It’s . . . well, it’s something.

Jan 9, 2018 • 55:32

Episode 55—Wrap It Up

In our last episode of 2017, we take the time for some observations about the year that was, and make some predictions for what 2018 might hold for the book world. We also touch on the new deal for the author of “Cat Person,” beg to get invited to MN’s new literary festival, and present a new Harebrained Scheme of the Week. Join us, and then we’ll see you in January!

Dec 19, 2017 • 1:04:12

Episode 54—The Print Run Holiday Gift Guide!

Got a writer or book person in your life this holiday season? Then you’ll need the Print Run Holiday Gift Guide, full of terrific gift suggestions like a journal too fancy and expensive to ever use. We also introduce a new segment called The Hairbrained Scheme of the Week, and then discuss “Cat Person,” the short story in The New Yorker that went viral this week.

Dec 12, 2017 • 1:00:21

Episode 53—The One Where We Talk About the Bad Sex in Fiction Award

This week, we take a look at the truly tremendous contenders for the Bad Sex in Fiction Award, clearly the most prestigious fiction prize in all the land. Then, in light of a recent heated discussion in online book circles about the relationship between small presses and agents, we try to answer: why might a small press dislike working with agents, and are those reasons good ones? (Spoiler alert: they almost always aren’t.) Join us!

Dec 5, 2017 • 46:46

Episode 52—MSWL, Manuscript Academy, and Where We Go From Here

After a quick recap of the National Book Award winners, this week’s episode features a detailed and passionate interview with one of the co-founders of MSWL and Manuscript Academy, literary agent Jessica Sinsheimer. We talk to Jessica about revenue dynamics in the industry, and how technology holds the capability to increase access to publishing for both writers and industry professionals. Jessica is one of the smartest people working in our field and we really think you’ll like what she has to

Nov 21, 2017 • 1:01:16

Episode 51—Skip to the Good Part

This week we take a look at one of the more intriguing new innovations in publishing tech, Audible’s Romance Package. It’s an example of a company directly responding to the specific needs of a specific readership, and perhaps it’s a sign of cool new things to come. Also in this epi: the politicization of jacket blurbs, a look at 2017’s biggest book deals, and an FBI-themed writing prompt!

Nov 14, 2017 • 59:14

Episode 50—A Year of Slush

Now a year removed from the 2016 presidential election, most everyone is feeling distracted, addled, preoccupied, and often worse. No surprise, then, that this has extended to the sorts of books writers have been pitching over the last year. We discuss how a volatile year has affected our queries, and speculate on what an enduring “Trump novel” from this period might actually look like, years from now. Then, we discuss the AAR and proffer a tweak to its guidelines that could better reflect the m

Nov 7, 2017 • 56:51

Episode 49—NaNoWriMo Begins

With November right around the corner, we set our sights on National Novel Writing Month, debating the “rules” of the crazed month of writing while offering up some of our own, along with a vision for the month that follows it. We also address Colin Kaepernick’s book deal, and make some stabs at book-themed Halloween costumes. It’s a regular cornucopia (seasonal image) of #content.

Oct 31, 2017 • 56:06

Episode 48—Back in the Saddle

We’re back! After three weeks away, we kick off season two of Print Run by catching up on all the book news from the past few weeks, including the embarrassing Amazon beauty pageant happening across America, the ongoing (and misguided) debate about white authors’ place amongst publishing’s push for diverse voices, the Man Booker, and much, much more. Also, Joyce Carol Oates still hasn’t logged off. She should, uh, think about that.

Oct 24, 2017 • 1:08:10

Episode 47—Better (fake) Awards!

We got a little bored of the standard literary award categories, so we decided to make up some new ones and hand out some hardware. Along with our fake award show, we also ended up litigating a copyright fight about baseball books, and recap a recent author reading Erik attended.

Sep 26, 2017 • 57:01

Episode 46—Awards Season (Again!)

It’s awards season in the book world, so this week we break down the longlists for the four National Book Award categories, as well as the shortlist for the Man Booker. What do award lists say about the year of publishing, in retrospect? We sift through all of it, and also point out that awards season means Print Run turns one year old! Thanks, dear listener, for joining us in our first year.

Sep 19, 2017 • 1:02:13

Episode 45—Titlerama

Most writers think of their book titles as a craft element, but is that how the publishing industry treats the names of its books? We talk about the many considerations that go into picking and tweaking book titles, many of which have nothing to do with what’s in the book itself. Trends play a factor; so do genres/categories, cover designs, and lots more. Join us!

Sep 13, 2017 • 54:10

Episode 44—Griftopia

This week’s show takes a look at one of the zanier schemes the book world has seen in a while, in which a book almost no one had ever heard of debuted at number one on the NYT bestseller list. How’d she do it, how did the scheme get discovered as fraudulent? There’s plenty to laugh at there, and same with our other featured grift of the week, the YA writer who faked nearly everything about his life including his ancestry, his writing credentials, and even the existence of agent.

Aug 29, 2017 • 56:40

Episode 43—Who Gets to Talk?

We recently heard it said as advice for writers: “be careful with your opinions online.” It raised our eyebrows, and so on this week’s show we debate whether or not this is a truth writers should take to heart, or whether it reveals certain political attitudes held by the publishing industry that need to be unpacked. We discuss why this sort of advice often gets delivered to writers, and why it can often be problematic. Also included is a quick discussion about a recent trip to New York and the

Aug 22, 2017 • 50:35

Episode 42—Anatomy of a Bestseller

This week, we walk through the many junctures in the publishing process—both within a publisher’s control and not—that lead to a book becoming a breakout bestseller. Every book is different, of course, but what are the necessary steps to having a book reach true commercial success? Beyond that, we cover the strange case of a Russian publisher cutting an LGBTQ plotline in their edition of an American book, and a very, very special JP book of the week.

Aug 15, 2017 • 1:02:07

Episode 41—Criticism, Criticism

In light of Michiko Kakutani leaving the New York Times, we discuss the changing roles of print book reviews and the literary critical establishment in the modern age. We also talk about that time she roasted Jonathan Franzen, which is very cathartic. Also included: the new Comey memoir, a Fiction Author Under FBI Investigation of the Week, and more!

Aug 8, 2017 • 49:45

Episode 40—What's YA?

This week, Laura walks us through the history of Young Adult literature in an attempt to answer a question that seems to never go away: what, exactly, is YA? We discuss why the category is so often under attack from others in the book world, its unique features, and much more. Plus: a JP book of the week, a word on the most recent wave of writer layoffs, and some thoughts on Keanu Reeves starting a publishing company.

Jul 25, 2017 • 1:00:05

Episode 39 — Write the Book, George

With the return of Game of Thrones to TV, it’s the right time to talk about the many fascinating writing and publishing aspects of George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire. How has the series managed to become such a phenomenon, and what about it is innovative or truly special, from a writing standpoint? We look at George’s (slow) history of writing books, his relationship with the HBO TV series (and his fans), and the strange dynamics of having your story told by someone else.

Jul 18, 2017 • 59:13

Episode 38—The People's Court

This episode has it all: a recap of Laura’s time at a SF/F convention; a bad article about old-school publishing; a Fiction Author Under FBI Investigation, of the Week; and a discussion on prison literature, focusing on the newly released collection of stories The Graybar Hotel, written by Curtis Dawkins. Join us!

Jul 11, 2017 • 58:46

Episode 37 — Eric Smith Rocks

This holiday week, we're joined by author, agent, and corgi owner extraordinaire Eric Smith. We talk about balancing his writing life with agenting, how both roles inform each other, and most importantly, why his corgi sometimes receives book queries. He even gives the #pubtip for the week! Plus, some other stuff too.

Jul 4, 2017 • 50:15

Episode 36 — Shoot Your Shot (featuring Shea Serrano)

This week, we’re thrilled to have an interview with New York Times bestselling author Shea Serrano. We ask him about his experience with the book-publishing process this time through, whether “experience” and “exposure” can pay bills for emerging writers or unpaid publishing interns (lol no), and of course, about his famous connection with his readers, the FOH Army. Separately, we also lead the show with a quick convo about TSA’s new policy of examining books in carry-on luggage.

Jun 27, 2017 • 40:44

Episode 35 — Please Blurb Us, Gary

What’s in a blurb? This week we talk about one of the more opaque processes in the book world: getting endorsements from other others. Who’s it for, and does it matter? Also, if Gary Shteyngart loves blurbing everything so much, why hasn’t he blurbed Print Run yet? We also debut a new weekly feature titled “Fiction Writer Under FBI Investigation, of the Week,” and no we’re not changing the clunky name, that’s the name of it. Oh, also: should publishers feel responsible for being green?

Jun 20, 2017 • 56:02

Episode 34 — Summer Friday

Summer Fridays: they’re fun, people love them, and they’re a well-established publishing tradition. But where do they come from, and why does publishing slow down in the summers? We get into the history of the summer Friday, and how it might tie into book culture far more than you might think. We also discuss author estates, in light of the new Harper Lee graphic novel, and apparently PRH bought a shirt company? Anyway, join us!

Jun 13, 2017 • 55:26

Episode 33 — Current Fiction, Post-Truth

It’s safe to say that most people are feeling something strange in our current historical moment: disenchantment, paranoia, anxiety, or a whole host of other emotions. But current events aside, how do the strange traits of our age affect the way we read? Does this fraught era of information overload change how we consume books, and later on, will it change the books that someday get written during and about this period? We speculate on how this specific moment might affect all of our relationshi

Jun 6, 2017 • 1:01:00

Episode 32 — The Game’s Got Rules

After last week’s big, heavy episode, we’re more fun this week. We get into the “unwritten rules” of the book world, both real and imagined, both petty and substantial. We also do a quick check-in on Amazon Charts, per our chat last week, and spend a few minutes on Amazon’s physical stores (they’re good, unfortunately). Listener mailbag, as well!

May 31, 2017 • 56:09

Episode 31 — Amazon vs. Everyone

It’s time. This week, we discuss by far the most influential entity in the book industry: Amazon. Bigger than everyone else, more ruthless than everyone else, and yet, completely indispensable to modern book culture. We go through Amazon’s history as it relates to publishing, highlighting its many innovations and its fights with publishers throughout the last decade, and try to get a handle on what Amazon could mean for books, publishing, and the written word.

May 23, 2017 • 1:10:09

Episode 30 — All That Power

This week, we discuss the levers of power that are at play in a book’s acquisition and publication, all of which end up determining that book’s fate and prospects. How does the size of a book’s advance payment affect how it’s published? What about author clout, or precedent, or expectation, or a pushy agent? It’s a chat about who ends up on the hook for what, and how all these factors come together (or don’t). We also do a quick BEA galley preview, in which we beg attendees to grab us books. Ple

May 16, 2017 • 52:22

Episode 29 — We Used to Be Readers

This week’s show is on maybe the most fundamental thing any of us do outside the whole eating/sleeping thing: reading. How has the role of reading changed in our lives as we’ve gotten older? Is it the same experience reading as an adult as it is as a child or even a student? We unpack that, and also discuss the NYT slashing some of its bestseller lists, the new James Patterson/Bill Clinton collaboration, and books in your dating profiles.

May 9, 2017 • 50:51

Episode 28 — Trending

This week we talk about the seemingly surface-level elements of books that seem to periodically rise and fall in popularity: things like the vampire in paranormal/YA books, or the cupcake shop in romance novels, or the word “Girl” in EVERY SINGLE LITERARY FICTION TITLE. Who’s driving these trends, and how and why do they change over time? Also included is a JP book of the week and a word on recent layoffs in the industry.

May 2, 2017 • 53:47

Episode 27 — The Great Escape

Just the two of us again this week. We discuss the supposed reader experience known as “escapism”—what does it mean, why do people seek it out, and are people actually “escaping” like they think they are when they pick up a good book? Also included is a brief discussion on Henry Holt’s decision to stick with Bill O’Reilly as his publisher, and the debut of a new segment, The Only Good Books!

Apr 25, 2017 • 49:14

Episode 26 — And Then There Were Hoots

In light of NYC’s new law forbidding employers from asking job candidates their previous salaries, we talk to editor Allyson Rudolph (@allysonrudolph) about the many issues surrounding pay in the publishing industry. Spoiler alert: there are tons, and it ends up hurting people AND the books. Allyson and Erik also tell a couple stories from their time on an editorial staff together and … hoo, boy. It’s a fun, honest, and wide-ranging interview we think you’ll like!

Apr 18, 2017 • 47:42

Episode 25 — Fresh Rusk Biscuits

This week, we discuss what it means to engage in honest critical discussions about writing, why it’s difficult, and how it’s essential to the advancement of the good-faith publishing conversation. Why do people, especially authors, have such a hard time criticizing other books? What does it mean to read critically, versus reading for enjoyment, and has the digital age changed the way books are reviewed? We also talk about why certain books draw criticism and why others seem immune. We also recap

Apr 13, 2017 • 56:30

Episode 24 — Writing vs. Publishing

This week, we take a look at how writing and publishing have become separate conversations, and how this divide isn’t good for anyone in any part of the writing world. Why is there such an oversized emphasis on query formatting, pitch elements, and the “myth of the checklist?” We talk about how to reclaim a more natural place when discussing the writing process, allowing all of us to get back to thinking about what we love in this field: the writing and the books.

Apr 4, 2017 • 48:11

Episode 23 — The Regretisode

Description: This week, dear listener, is about regrets. What books did we let go or pass on, that ended up doing well in other hands, and what does that say about the nature of professional and subjective taste? Other than that, the regrets are… Really something. A dude lighting books on fire and burning down his neighborhood. James Patterson blurbing himself, which more fills us with regret, because he’s clearly got life figured out way better than we do. And lots more!

Mar 28, 2017 • 46:40

Episode 22 — Literary

This week, we tackle a seemingly simple question that no two people seem to have the same answer to: what does “literary” mean? Is it a genre, or the lack of one? Does it imply sophistication or prestige, or is it shorthand for pretentious or privileged? Does it mean different things to different people in the book world? Does it mean whatever we want it to mean? We try to arrive at a definition. And discuss how the term functions in both art and publishing conversation.

Mar 21, 2017 • 56:37

Episode 21 — The Hate U Give

This week, we examine the phenomenon of THE HATE U GIVE by Angie Thomas, and break down why exactly it was able to debut at the top of the bestseller lists. Then, in light of Laura being mad at some tweets, we have a spirited discussion about whether or not getting an MFA “matters” for writers. We even fit in some listener questions at the end!

Mar 14, 2017 • 1:01:16

Episode 20 — The Wonderful Impediment

On the occasion of Erik finishing a manuscript he's been dragging his feet on for five years, we talk about the strange and naive myths we believed about publishing before entering the industry, and the ways expectations have not matched up with reality. What's unexpectedly good about working in publishing, and what unexpectedly sucks? Also, we talk about the novels we wrote as children, including Laura's quest narrative in a fancy notebook, and the fact that Erik didn't understand typesetting a

Mar 7, 2017 • 1:00:32

Episode 19 — The Romance Biz

This week we're joined by Carly Silver, an assistant editor at Harlequin Books! We talk about what it's like to work as an editor at a romance publisher, whether any of the meetings get a little awkward, and the ins and outs (um, phrasing) of how romance novels are acquired and discussed in house. Plus, we discuss commissioning books as agents, and how that approach differs from the query process.

Feb 28, 2017 • 49:28

Episode 18 — Mad Online

This week, we take a look at some of the trends and tropes in social media in the book world, from writers, agents, editors, and publishing houses. Why can't anyone on writer Twitter make a good joke? Are hashtags like #ownvoices mostly used for shallow virtue signalling and brand building? We debate this stuff and more. We also respond to the op ed from Milo's agent in Publisher's Weekly. This bit is especially funny in hindsight, since Simon & Schuster cancelled the book about half an hour aft

Feb 21, 2017 • 58:29

Episode 17 — Who Shushes the Shushmen?

In our latest episode, we bring to you the first-ever Print Run interview, a conversation with author and librarian Lily Anderson (@ms_lilyanderson). We talk about her upcoming book, her experience in the publishing process, how her work as a school librarian gives her unique insight into children’s publishing, what she’d change about the industry, and more. The show also has the standard Tom Cruise news and a #pubtip at the end, of course.

Feb 14, 2017 • 54:27

Episode 16 — The Birds and the Boats

This week, we look at the strange and often hilarious ways that women's bodies get described in fiction, and talk about how that descriptive tradition weighs on writers even today. Then, Erik decides to apply to be James Patterson's coauthor, and his sample chapter is ... well, it's really something.

Feb 7, 2017 • 50:12

Episode 15 — Party Like It's 1984

This week, we talk about some of the sillier allusions to 1984 happening right now in media (in light of the book becoming Amazon's top seller). We break down Roxane Gay pulling her book from Simon & Schuster, and discuss the complications she might face in finding another publisher. Also included: proposed book laws that failed this week, the potential defunding of the NEA, and a listener mailbag!

Jan 31, 2017 • 1:04:48

Episode 14 — Story Time

This episode features a crazy publishing story from Erik, along with a discussion on the apparently booming industry of dumbing down literary classics for toddlers. We also talk about our best bookstore ideas (spoiler alert: the best idea is cinnamon rolls, as is always the case). Basically, we were Very Serious the last couple weeks and wanted a fun episode this time. Enjoy!

Jan 24, 2017 • 57:13

Episode 13 — Build-a-Press

This week, we tackle a pretty big, speculative question: if you were to start a publishing company, what would it look like? We discuss a wide range of facets to this, from editorial vision, publishing models, acquisitions strategies, building a brand, how to cut costs, and more. It's a fun episode; our hope is that more than just making some hypotheticals, we also do some spotlighting of where we feel publishing is really working, where it isn't, and what we would change. Tell us what you think

Jan 18, 2017 • 1:01:06

Episode 12 — Mousetrap

In this episode, we discuss ways that modern publishing should address the literary canon's diversity problem. We also fight about whether or not audiobooks count as reading, because frankly we're both petty as hell. At one point we end up talking at length about mice in apartments, which Erik tries pretty hard to make relevant to books but he'll tell you, dear listener, he may not have succeeded. Anyway, it's a fun episode. Join us!

Jan 10, 2017 • 54:13

Episode 11 — Dangerous

Happy new year! In the first Print Run of 2017, we talk about our holiday break and Milo Yiannopoulos's controversial book deal with Simon & Schuster. We break down the backlash, the backlash to the backlash, and discuss what this deal reveals about most free-speech arguments as well as what we can expect to see from mainstream commercial publishers moving forward.

Jan 3, 2017 • 57:53

Episode 10 — Censorship and Elves

In addition to spending way too long breaking down Sara Gruen's Hatchimals scheme, we discuss the supposed "censorship" argument made by Abrams Books in light of their controversial release of Bad Little Children's Books. We also analyze the movie Elf, because it has publishing in it and it's the holidays. Stop judging us, I can see you judging us.

Dec 13, 2016 • 48:50

Episode 9 — Author Theme Parks

In the latest episode of Print Run, we talk about the horrors of recommending books to others, because giving gifts with subtext is what the holidays are all about. Also, we offer some alternative author theme parks to try, rather than the planned Harper Lee tourist spot in Alabama. There's a listener mailbag, a chat about the various dictionaries' words of the year, and Erik reads the winning passage of the 2016 Bad Sex Award. I'm sorry, mom.

Dec 6, 2016 • 1:07:07

Episode 8 — Verified

In this episode of Print Run, we talk about Penguin Random House's decision to start helping its employees pay off student loans, and what the could mean for the candidate pool for publishing jobs. Then Laura tries to get verified on Twitter while Erik gets nostalgic about star-bellied sneetches. Also discussed are the results of National Book Awards and an update on Erik's flailing #NaNoWriMo campaign.

Nov 22, 2016 • 57:13

November First Pages Show

In the November First Pages episode of Print Run, we take a look at three different novel openings and talk about the best ways to get your story started right from the opening page. We discuss establishing narrative perspective and creating an inciting conflict, as well as deciding which details you should include and leave out as you get your story started.

Nov 17, 2016 • 42:18

Episode 7 — Publishing in the Age of Trump

In this episode of Print Run, we discuss what a Trump presidency could mean for the publishing industry, and how publishing might affect Trump. How will Trump interact with the free press, and what role will book publishing play in the normalization of such an extreme political movement? Also discussed: conservative publishing, what constitutes counterculture, and more.

Nov 15, 2016 • 1:07:20

Episode 6 — #NaNoCryMo

In the latest episode of Print Run, Laura and Erik talk about the national nightmare facing America this November: NaNoWriMo. Also discussed are all the books George R.R. Martin isn't currently writing, and a chat about coming changes to BEA, which are good in that they make BEA closer to nonexistence. Plus, a savage argument over the #writetip!

Nov 8, 2016 • 58:34

November Query Show

In their first dedicated query show, Laura and Erik read three real queries and break down what's working and not working in each. The conversation focuses on things like using a strong lede, showcasing the essential details of your story as efficiently as possible, and finding the right voice for your pitch.

Nov 3, 2016 • 50:50

Episode 5 — Book Publishing in a Thinkpiece World

In this week's Print Run, Laura and Erik use the current election cycle—No politics, we promise!—to discuss how book publishing fits within a fast-paced reading world geared toward shorter articles and thinkpieces. What will books on the 2016 election look like, and will they have an impact? Then, Laura pays off losing the Man Booker bet with a dramatic reading of her favorite author, artist, and style icon, Jonathan Franzen. It's—well, it happened, we'll say that. Enjoy!

Nov 1, 2016 • 1:08:40

Episode 4 — The Halloween Hit List

In this episode, Laura lets Erik sit near the gong and immediately regrets it. We discuss climbing the book-podcast charts and declare war on the NYTBR podcast, which surely has them shaking in their fine designer boots. In honor of Halloween we break down what scares us in books, as well as our favorite scary books of all time, and also litigate whether or not Laura is crazy for wanting her obituary to appear in Publisher's Lunch (spoiler alert: she is).

Oct 25, 2016 • 48:40

Episode 3 — Romance Outtakes

In Episode 3 of Print Run, we discuss Laura's recent trip to a Romance Writer's convention, as well as the romance genre as a whole: what's the difference between the romance genre and women's fiction, or romance and erotica? We talk about our best "romance outtakes," the plots and features of romantic writing that will never see the light of day. A sex-themed #writetip is included, as well as a brief chat about Bob Dylan's Nobel win!

Oct 18, 2016 • 46:40

Episode 2 — Unmasking Elena Ferrante

In which we discuss the New York Review of Books' outing of Elena Ferrante's identity, identify the end of all publishing, touch on neuroscience, and announce some super special Special Content for writers!

Oct 11, 2016 • 55:27

Episode 1 — The Man Booker Awards

This is the first full-length episode of Print Run. In it, you will find some illegal literary betting on the winner of the Man Booker, talk of Erik's plants, and what GRRM is most likely not working on this week.  Enjoy!

Oct 4, 2016 • 58:20

The Murder of Stephen King

In the week before the first official episode of Print Run, Laura and Erik discuss James Patterson's cancelled novel "The Murder of Stephen King," how Patterson has been Mad Online for six years and counting, and the many benefits of putting a fictional hit out on your literary rivals.

Sep 16, 2016 • 12:23