23: Value for Value Music with Joe Martin
Outside The System

23: Value for Value Music with Joe Martin

25 May • 1hr 0m
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In this episode, I spoke with Joe Martin, a musician from the UK who is pioneeering how artists can leverage value-for-value and Bitcoin to connect directly with fans and take power back from record labels and platforms like Spotify. Joe gets into the details of how value-for-value has worked for him, where the pain points are, what the response has been from fans, and a lot more. At one point, Joe compares being a value-for-value artist to being a street performer, which stuck in my head since this podcast is also supported by value-for-value on podcasting 2.0 apps like Fountain.  If you enjoy this episode, make sure you subscribe, leave a review, and send a boost on Fountain!  Timestamps (0:53) Joe's background and how he got into music as well as value-for-value (8:05) How the standard artist business model works today (10:27) What does a record label bring to an artist?  (14:47) Why Joe believes we're at the start of a shift that will favor independent artists (17:04) How streaming economics work for an independent artist and why it's usually a "loss leader" to get people to come to shows and buy merch (20:50) The similarities between being an author and an artist. Cost effectiveness of printing books and printing t-shirts (24:30) How Joe thinks about value-for-value, both in general and for himself as an artist (28:55) Why nothing in life is free - you pay one way or the other (31:47) Why people are already fine paying for a physical product like an album but there's a mental gap when buying a digital version of the same music (33:17) How Bitcoin relates to value-for-value and makes it possible (38:30) Joe's experience with value-for-value and how it has affected his career so far. How he made more in 7 days than he made in 7 years from streaming (50:15) The psychology behind getting people into value-for-value music (52:00) Incentivizing listeners to take actions like making clips or sharing music using value-for-value (53:05) The best resources for a creator to get started with value-for-value Links and Resources Joe's Twitter Joe's website Joe's introduction to value-for-value Kevin Rooke interviewing Joe Martin Joe's new album Empty Passenger Seat Joe's tour dates Wavlake, a value-for-value music platform Outside The System episode with Lyrah, another independent musician experimenting with new business models
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20,000 sats
29 May
Great episode! Joe is a pioneer and have loved listening to his latest album. Glad to hear the Fountain social features are helping with discovery too - value is the signal! ⚡️
2,100 sats
26 May
thanks for having me on Neil! 🤟
200 sats
28 May
great info. thank you
100 sats
26 May
As a musician myself, newly into BTC, I love heart hearing about