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Summary

This conversation covers the journey of Relai, a Bitcoin-only startup, and the challenges and successes they have faced. It explores the mindset differences between the fiat and Bitcoin worlds and the reasons behind starting a company. The conversation also touches on Switzerland's adoption of Bitcoin and the potential future of Relai in a Bitcoin standard world. Julian Liniger discusses the importance of having a long-term vision and the ability to adapt in order to sustain a company's success. He uses examples from Apple and Netflix to illustrate how companies evolve and continue to serve their customers. Julian also explores the overarching vision of Relai and the potential for Bitcoin to serve as a means of preserving purchasing power. The conversation concludes with Julian sharing the various ways to get in contact with him and the Relai team.

Takeaways

Relai started as a Bitcoin-only startup and evolved based on user feedback and market demand.

Switzerland has been open to Bitcoin and blockchain innovation, attracting many companies and investors in the space.

The mindset of fiat workers and Bitcoin workers differs in terms of entrepreneurial spirit, questioning the financial system, and long-term thinking.

Starting a company requires perseverance, overcoming challenges, and a drive to make a difference.

Relai has experienced ups and downs but has built a strong culture and attracted investors and talent.

In the future, Relai aims to go public, expand geographically, and offer new products and services.

Building a startup is a rollercoaster journey with moments of doubt and resilience.

In a Bitcoin standard world, Relai purpose would evolve beyond transactional services to focus on a higher mission.

Chapters

00:00 Starting as a Bitcoin Only Startup

05:36 Switzerland's Adoption of Bitcoin

10:09 Differences Between Fiat and Bitcoin Mindsets

18:27 The Drive to Start a Company

24:19 The Early Days of Relai

32:00 The Challenges of Building a Startup

35:26 The Future of Relai

44:12 The Rollercoaster Journey of Relai

46:07 Relai in a Bitcoin Standard World

47:50 Long-Term Vision and Adaptation

52:23 The Purpose of Bitcoin

54:35 Getting in Contact with Julian and Relai