Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology
Alexiel de Ravenswood
Welcome to ‘Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology,’ an audio series set in eerie Hendrickson Hall. Hosted by Reinhardt Hendrickson, explore chilling tales of the supernatural and macabre. Each episode blends ghost stories and horrors, merging past and present.
Journey into the ghost town of Shadowbrook Camp in Witchcrest Peak. Uncover the tragic history and spectral legends that haunt its abandoned mines and crumbling structures. Discover secrets and mysteries that blur the line between reality and the paranormal, keeping you captivated and on edge.
Zariya Hollow: S03Ep01– “The Moon’s Veil: The Tale of Rusalka”
Zariya Hollow: S03Ep01 – “The Moon’s Veil: The Tale of Rusalka” (TRAILER)A new adaptation of Dvořák’s opera, where folklore and fate collide.Before The Little Mermaid, there was Undine—the tragic tale of a water spirit who longed to live among humans, only to be undone by love’s fleeting nature. This legend found its most haunting form in Antonín Dvořák’s opera Rusalka (1900), which transformed the myth into music—an ethereal, sorrowful lament of longing, sacrifice, and a love that was never mea
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep06 – The Ghost in the Opera House (Chapter 5, Part 3)
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep06 – The Ghost in the Opera House (Chapter 5, Part 3)
Erik’s journey unfolds like a symphony of darkness, each movement steeped in the tragedies and triumphs that shaped him. From distant courts drenched in opulence and betrayal, to shadowed corridors where the weight of genius met the cruelty of empires, his path winds through treacherous lands and relentless trials. In each place, he carved beauty from chaos, but at an unspeakable cost.
As the story nears its end, we retur
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep05 – The Ghost in the Opera House (Chapter 5, Part 2)
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep05 – The Ghost in the Opera House (Chapter 5, Part 2)
The story plunges further into the shadows, unraveling moments of harrowing intensity and quiet reflection. As echoes of the past intertwine with the weight of the present, Le Fantôme’s journey draws us into deeply emotional terrain, setting the stage for truths that linger just beyond reach.
Content Warning:
This episode depicts themes of abuse, exploitation, and societal prejudice, which are integral to understanding th
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep04 – The Ghost in the Opera House, (Chapter 5, Part 1)
Raoul, desperate to save Christine, teams up with the mysterious Persian to navigate the shadowy underbelly of the opera house. Their journey through the labyrinthine passages beneath the building unveils new dangers at every turn. With every whispered secret and echoing footstep, the tension mounts as they descend into darkness.
This episode features immersive binaural sound—designed to place you directly in the heart of the opera house’s eerie depths. For the most chilling experience, listen
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep04.5 - “A Midnight Call from Mr. Hendrickson” (BONUS)
Join us for a special bonus episode, “A Midnight Call from Mr. Hendrickson,” where the familiar warmth of late-night conversations under the summer sky brings both comfort and nostalgia. Mr. Hendrickson reflects on the season’s heat, expressing his anticipation for the cooler, crisper days of autumn, and extends a heartfelt invitation to return to Zariya Hollow for Chapter 5 of Gaston Leroux’s "The Ghost in the Opera House." As the call ends, we transition back to the cool, stormy night vibes of
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep04: "The Ghost in The Opera House" (Chapter 5) -TRAILER
In this climactic final chapter of “Zariya Hollow A Horror Anthology: The Ghost in The Opera House,” the story picks up with the relentless pursuit of Le Fantôme by Raoul and the Persian. Venturing into the shadowy depths of the Opera House, they navigate traps and hidden passages, driven by a desperate need to save Christine and uncover Erik’s dark secrets. As they confront the Fantôme in his domain, the tragic history and true nature of Erik are unveiled, leading to a poignant and dramatic res
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep03: "The Ghost in The Opera House" (Chapter 4)
Under the moonlit skies of the opera house roof, Raoul and Christine share an emotionally charged moment, revealing the haunting truth about
her Angel of Music. As Christine’s fears and secrets unfold, their return to her dressing room brings a promise, abruptly shattered by her strange behavior. Raoul, troubled, heads home to face a shocking encounter.Simultaneously, the opera managers are ensnared in a web of deceit, leading to a tense showdown in their office and the infamous “safety pin inc
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep03: "The Ghost in The Opera House" (Chapter 4) - TRAILER
Immerse yourself in the haunting grandeur of the Palais Garnier with the next chapter of Zariya Hollow's "The Ghost in the Opera House." This episode, part of our adaptation of Gaston Leroux's tale, continues to explore the spectral mysteries and romantic intrigues within the opera house. Featuring 3 original songs written for the series.
As a preview, we present three pivotal scenes: Messieurs Remy and Mercier discussing the perplexing behavior of the opera managers ("Le Jeu du Fantôme"), Chris
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep02: "The Ghost in The Opera House" (Chapter 3)
“In the eerie calm following the opera house chandelier’s disastrous crash, ‘The Ghost in the Opera House’ (Chapter 3) delves deeper into the enveloping shadows. With the Paris Opera temporarily closed, the corridors remain silent, holding their breath under the weight of unspoken fears. Outside this darkened theater, Raoul’s search for Christine grows more urgent. Meanwhile, Monsieur Remy, alongside the young inspector, probes the lingering mysteries, their quest intensifying as the opera’s reo
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep02: "The Ghost in The Opera House" (Chapter 3) - TRAILER 2
In the gripping next chapter of "The Ghost in the Opera House," tragedy unfolds under the dim lights of the grand stage. Fifteen days have passed since the catastrophic night when the chandelier crashed, leaving behind a trail of mystery and despair. Madame Carlotta falls ill under mysterious circumstances, and the once radiant Mademoiselle Daaé disappears without a trace, her dressing room abandoned, as if she were merely a shadow. Amidst the silence and secrets, Raoul de Chagny's
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep02: "The Ghost in The Opera House" (Chapter 3) - TRAILER
Brace yourself for an electrifying teaser of our upcoming episode.
The journey begins with a captivating call from Reinhardt, drawing you into the mystical Grimoire Exhibition at the Solano County Fairgrounds. He unveils the latest from Zariya Hollow, including an official website, discord, and an online store.
Then, we plunge into the shadowy depths of the Paris Opera with "The Ghost in the Opera House." Join Monsieur Richard as he navigates a labyrinth of mystery, armed with chilling, blood-
Zariya Hollow: S2Ep01: "The Ghost in The Opera House" (Chapter 2)
Continuing the story of "The Ghost in the Opera House," we observe the Opera's management grappling with peculiar occurrences, while Raoul de Chagny strives to unravel the mysteries. Our adaptation of Gaston Leroux's "Le Fantôme de l'Opéra" proceeds in our five-part series.
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep13-“The Ghost In The Opera House” (Chapter 1 )
In the first part of our enthralling season finale, "The Ghost In The Opera House," we are transported into the heart of Paris's most enigmatic cultural landmark, guided by the captivating narration of our storyteller, Gaston Leroux. As Leroux weaves this intricate tale, the Paris Opera House comes alive with secrets and spectral mysteries.
The episode marks a pivotal moment in the Opera House's history - the transition of power from the seasoned directors, Messieurs Debienne
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep13 - "The Ghost in The Opera House" (TRAILER)
"Step into the dimly lit world of the Paris Opera, a place where the grandeur of art meets the depths of mystery. In this chilling teaser for 'The Ghost in The Opera House,' witness firsthand the eerie tales that have echoed through the corridors, told by those who have dared to encounter 'Le Fantôme.' From the fireman Papin's spine-chilling encounter with a fiery apparition in the cellars to Joseph Buquet's unnerving tales of a skull-headed specter, each story weaves a tapestry of intrigue and
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep12 - "Echoes in the Frost: A Haunting Yuletide in Shadowbrook Camp"
"Zariya Hollow: S1Ep12 - Echoes in the Frost: A Haunting Yuletide in Shadowbrook Camp"
In the heart of Northern California's rugged wilderness, Shadowbrook Camp anticipates Reinhardt Hendrickson's legendary Yuletide celebration. The air is crisp with excitement, scented with the fragrance of pine and a hint of mystery. From the bustling preparations of the townsfolk to the hushed whispers of ancient legends, this holiday season holds more than just festive cheer.
Prepare to
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep12 - "Echoes in the Frost: A Haunting Yuletide in Shadowbrook Camp" (TRAILER)
Echoes in the Frost: A Haunting Yuletide in Shadowbrook Camp
Step into the enigmatic world of Shadowbrook Camp, nestled under the shadow of Witchcrest Peak, as we unveil a Christmas like no other. In this episode, "Echoes in the Frost," journey back to a bygone era where the lines between myth and reality blur under the winter sky.
In the heart of Northern California’s mountainous wilderness, Shadowbrook Camp prepares for Reinhardt Hendrickson's legendary Yuletide celebration. The
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep11 - "L'incident Canadien” Or “The Canadian Incident
"In the aftermath of the séance, Hendrickson Hall holds yet another secret. A journal, long hidden within its depths and accidentally revealed, offers a glimpse into a forgotten chapter of Professor Wainwright's life.
This episode, 'L'incident Canadien,' (The Canadian Incident) weaves a tale of suspense and revelation, linking Wainwright's enigmatic past to the haunting legends of the Canadian Wilderness.
Drawing inspiration from Algernon Blackwood's chilling cla
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep11 - "L'incident Canadien” Or “The Canadian Incident" (TRAILER)
In the aftermath of the séance, Hendrickson Hall holds yet another secret. A journal, long hidden within its depths and accidentally revealed, offers a glimpse into a forgotten chapter of Professor Wainwright's life. This episode, 'L'incident Canadien,' (The Canadian Incident) weaves a tale of suspense and revelation, linking Wainwright's enigmatic past to the haunting legends of the Canadian Wilderness.
Join us as we unravel a story shrouded in the mists of time and veiled in the lore of ancie
BONUS: "An Mid-November Midnight Call From Mr Reinhardt Hendrickson"
As night falls over the mystical Witchcrest Peak, Reinhardt Hendrickson extends his deepest thanks to the global audience enthralled by the haunting tales of Zariya Hollow. His words, a beacon of gratitude, shine out to listeners from the star-spangled expanses of the US to the spirit-stirring moors of the UK, through the frost-kissed wilds of Canada and over the awe-inspiring terrains of New Zealand and Australia.
With a promise to keep the ghostly essence of Zariya Hollow alive in the hearts
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep13: The Ghost in The Opera House (TRAILER)
Feel the suspense build to a crescendo in 'Zariya Hollow: A Horror
Anthology' with our season's final bow, 'The Ghost in The Opera House.'
We invite you to the Paris Opera House, where Gaston Leroux's tale reemerges not just to haunt but to hold a mirror to the depths of the human heart.
In this labyrinth of melody and menace, love battles with madness, and a specter's whisper may just decide fate. Attend the ultimate performance, where ghosts of the past demand th
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep10 - All Hallows Eve
"Step into the mystical world of Zariya Hollow, nestled in the heart of the ancient Witchcrest Peak, as Mr. Hendrickson hosts an enchanting Halloween Party like no other. Join a gathering of gifted storytellers, including the eerie and mysterious 'Witchcrest Witches' who will cast spells that will send shivers down your spine.
Madame Ruth unfolds the haunting tale of 'Le Grande Bretech,' a story of ancient curses and forbidden love. Mr. Hendrickson, in a unique bilingual pe
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep9.5- "Whispers Of Witchcrest Peak- The Séance Of Shadows"
In the gripping episode titled "Whispers of Witchcrest Peak: The Séance of Shadows," join us as we return to the enigmatic heart of Shadowbook Camp, where shadows conceal secrets that yearn to be unearthed. With Madame Ruth at the helm, and Professor Wainwright's unwavering curiosity, we delve into a world where the line between the living and the departed blurs. As spirits whisper their tales from the darkness, and the echoes of La Femme qui Pleure grow stronger, we'll explore
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep10 - All Hallows Eve (TRAILER)
As the foliage dons crimson hues and the brisk air envelopes Witchcrest Peak, California, a profound metamorphosis takes hold. Yet, for the inhabitants of this enigmatic locale, it's more than just pumpkins and chilly evenings—it's the juncture when the boundary separating the living from the supernatural wanes to its thinnest.
This exclusive glimpse of our forthcoming All Hallows Eve episode encapsulates reflections on the season and extends a personal invitation from none other than Mr. Hendri
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep9- La Femme Qui Pleure (The Wailing Woman) - Pt 2
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep9- La Femme qui Pleure - Pt 2
In this enthralling episode, "La Femme qui Pleure - Ep2," a multifaceted tapestry of history, music, and mystery unfurls before your very ears.
Join us as we delve deeper into the lives of the remarkable characters who call Shadowbrook Camp home. Renowned soprano Esme Levine's reunion with the enigmatic Reinhardt Hendrickson takes center stage as they prepare for a charity event that promises to be nothing short of extraordinary.
But
"The Ballad of Witchcrest Peak" (Performed by Johnnie Bailey) - S1Ep9
Join me by the campfire, friends, and let me spin you a tale of Witchcrest Peak, where shadows whisper secrets and the mountain's song echoes through time. We're taking a journey back to 1800s California, where music, madness, and mysteries intertwine. This single is just a taste of the longer episode to come, performed live by yours truly. So grab a seat, listen to my guitar, and let the echoes of the past carry you away on the wind. 🎶🕯️ #WitchcrestPeak #ZariyaHollow
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Zariya Hollow: S1Ep8- La Femme Qui Pleure (The Wailing Woman) - Pt 1
"La Femme Qui Pleure: (Part 1)"
Step into the enigmatic mansion of Zariya Hollow and journey through time as Reinhardt Hendrickson, your spectral guide, reads and discusses "La Llorona in Juvenile Hall." Meanwhile, in the mining town of Shadowbrook Camp in 1873, the French Canadian opera singer Esme Levine is plagued by haunting dreams of a wailing woman. As their stories intertwine, echoes of the past and present harmonize, creating a symphony of emotions that transcends er
BONUS: Favorite Resident of Shadowbrook Camp: Poll Results!
You Voted, We Listened!
Introducing Shadowbrook Camp's Finest Resident: Johnnie Bailey
Amidst the rugged landscapes of Shadowbrook Camp, one figure stands out—a man named Johnnie Bailey. With an air of refined distinction amidst the wilderness, Johnnie's character is a blend of elegance and grit. From his unique connection with animals to his strategic entrepreneurial pursuits, from the camaraderie shared with Madame Ruth to the tapestry of history within their grand cottage, Johnnie'
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep08 - La Femme Qui Pleure (The Wailing Woman) - Teaser
"Guiding you through the enigmatic tales of Zariya Hollow, the ethereal
Reinhardt beckons you to join him on a journey into the shadows.
Meanwhile, in a different time, in the tranquil elegance of Shadowbrook
Camp, the opera singer Esme Levine finds herself ensnared in a web of
vivid nightmares. Tormented by a wailing entity that defies all reason,
Esme's terror intertwines with the chilling narrative of 'La Llorona in
Juvenile Hall,' recounted by Reinhardt. As the two stories converge,
t
BONUS - Teatime at the Hollow: A Charming Conversation with Alexiel de Ravenswood, Creator of "Zariya Hollow"
Join us for a captivating behind-the-scenes interview as Danielle White, the talented voice behind the enigmatic opera singer Esme Levine in "Shadowbrook Camp," takes on the role of the host. In this exclusive conversation, Danielle sits down with Alexiel de Ravenswood, the brilliant creator and host of the acclaimed podcast, "Zariya Hollow."
Delve into the depths of creativity as Danielle explores the intricate mind of Alexiel, uncovering the inspirations, challenges, and triumphs that have sha
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep7 - The Witch's Embrace: Threads of Fate in Shadowbrook Camp
In the enigmatic world of Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology, a new chapter awaits. Join us for an unprecedented journey into the heart of darkness with our longest episode yet, "The Witch's Embrace: Threads of Fate in Shadowbrook Camp." This 1 hour and 53 minutes long immersive experience will transport you to the eerie realm of Shadowbrook Camp, beneath the towering Witchcrest Peak.
As Madame Ruth shuffles the tarot cards, a mesmerizing tale unfolds, intertwining the lives of Johnnie Bailey, D
BONUS - 900 Listens! (WE THANK YOU!)
In this short moment, a spectral presence emerges to deliver an urgent missive to our esteemed listeners. Join us as the otherworldly messenger, bridging the realms between the living and the spirit, reveals the profound gratitude of Mr. Hendrickson.
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TRAILER: 'The Mysterious Portrait: A Prelude to Manderley" (S1Ep8)
Step into the world of secrets and intrigue with 'The Mysterious Portrait: A Prelude to Manderley.' In this tantalizing audio teaser, follow Johnnie as he embarks on a journey to deliver a painting with a haunting history to its new owner, Mr. Reinhardt Hendrickson. The painting, a survivor of a devastating fire that consumed its former home, holds a mysterious allure that captivates all who encounter it.
As Johnnie unveils the captivating portrait of Caroline de Winter, the enigmatic figure on
(BONUS: A Call From Mr. Hendrickson)
Step into the ethereal embrace of "Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology"
and allow the spirits within this haunted mansion to weave their tales
of terror. As the spectral host, Reinhardt Hendrickson, and we, the haunted
souls of this abode, extend our deepest gratitude to you. Thank you for
venturing into the darkness and welcoming us into your nightmares.
Together, we shall etch our ghostly legacy into the annals of the
supernatural. Share our spectral whispers, ignite the flame of
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep6 - "Dracula"
Step into the shadows and immerse yourself in a spine-tingling tribute to a timeless horror classic, as we honor the legendary Orson Welles and The Mercury Theatre. In this special episode, allow Adeline Thornway and Reinhardt Hendrickson to guide you through the enigmatic halls of a long-forgotten mansion, echoing with haunting tales and spine-chilling whispers. Experience the gripping masterpiece that has captivated generations of horror enthusiasts and inspired countless others. Prepare to em
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep6 - Trailer
Greetings, dear listeners. 'Tis I, Johnnie Bailey, the spectral
hosteler of Shadowbrook Camp, joining the Hendrickson family for
supper, then a soiree around the "radio."
As the darkness envelops us, we prepare to immerse ourselves in a
bone-chilling tale, one that has echoed through the ages, a story that
continues to haunt the minds of those who dare to listen.
We shall embark on a journey into a world where the moonlit sky is
filled with the flutter of bats, the howling of
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep5 - "Echoes from the Past: Three Unforgettable Stories of Redemption, Revenge, and Ransom"
Echoes from the Past: Three Unforgettable Stories of Redemption, Revenge, and Ransom
Join us on a thrilling journey through time and space as we present three enthralling stories. First, experience "Atonement," a powerful tale of a man's quest for redemption after a lifetime of wrongdoings. Witness the transformation of a man seeking forgiveness not only from those he wronged but also from himself. With masterful storytelling and compelling characters, this story is sure to leave a lasting impre
TRAILER: "Echoes of The Past" (S1Ep5)
Shhhhhhhh. Can you hear that? "It's the echoes of the past." Hey, don't be scared, it's me, Zariya! Zariya Hendrickson.
Join my father and I on a thrilling journey through time and space as we present "Echoes from the Past: Three Unforgettable Stories of Redemption, Revenge, and Ransom." I've heard that Mr. Johnnie Bailey will be dropping by too!
First, experience "Atonement," a powerful tale of a man's quest for redemption after a lifetime of wrongdoings. Witness the transformation of a man see
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TRAILER: Voices from Witchcrest Peak: Haunted Tales of a Forgotten Mining Town (Bonus Episode)
Join us on a journey through the eerie history of Witchcrest Peak, a forgotten mining town with a dark and haunted past. In this special bonus episode of "Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology," our guide, Johnnie Bailey, a local ghost who haunts Witchcrest Peak, takes us through the chilling tales of Dr. and Mrs. Peabody, the blacksmith, and Adeline Thornway, among others. As we explore the mysteries of this haunted town, we'll discover the ghosts that still linger, a constant reminder of the trage
S1 BONUS: "Voices from Witchcrest Peak: Haunted Tales of a Forgotten Mining Town"
Step into the enigmatic world of Witchcrest Peak, where the past whispers its tales through the fog-enshrouded scenery. This special episode of "Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology" takes a nuanced turn, shifting from the usual horror to a contemplative journey through the history of the region. Here, the abandoned mining village of Shadowbrook Camp and the sprawling grounds of Zariya Hollow serve as the backdrop for stories filled with love, grief, and destiny.
Guided by Johnnie Bailey
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep4- “Whispers In The Dark"
As the sun sets on the lonely valley, the old mansion of Zariya Hollow comes to life with the whispers and moans of its ghostly inhabitants. In this episode, we begin with a haunting retelling of "The Signal Man," a tale of tragedy and spectral warnings that is sure to send shivers down your spine.
But our visit to Zariya Hollow doesn't end there. After a quick break,we take a detour through the creaky halls of the mansion, meeting some of its otherworldly residents and getting a taste of what'
Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology Series (Mid-Season Podcast Trailer)
Trailer "A Call from Zariya Hollow"
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Zariya Hollow: S1Ep3- The Ghost and Mrs Muir
Join us for the midnight release of "The Ghost and Mrs Muir," a timeless classic brought to life with a modern twist. Starring Suzanne Pamphile as Lucy Muir and Alexiel de Ravenswood as Captain Gregg and Reinhardt Hendrickson, this production features an all-star cast, including James Hoegerl as Miles Fairley and Charles Early as Mr. Coombes. With an original score by Alexiel de Ravenswood and two pieces arranged from the classic score by Bernard Herrmann, this audio drama will transport y
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep2- Pt2- The Yellow Wallpaper
Indulge in the mysterious allure of love and fear this Valentine's Day with Zariya Hollow's spine-chilling 3-part special episode. Get ready to be whisked away into the haunting tales of "The Telltale Heart," performed by the captivating voice of Alexiel de Ravenswood on February 5th, followed by the eerie unraveling of "The Yellow Wallpaper," performed by the talented Suzanne Pamphile on February 10th. And last but not least, on February 14th, immerse yourself in the timeless classic, "T
Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology Series ( Podcast Trailer)
Reinhardt Hendrickson introduces himself and welcomes you to Zariya Hollow
Zariya Hollow: S1Ep2 - Pt1. The Telltale Heart
Indulge in the mysterious allure of love and fear this Valentine's Day with Zariya Hollow's spine-chilling 3-part special episode. Get ready to be whisked away into the haunting tales of "The Telltale Heart," performed by the captivating voice of Alexiel de Ravenswood on February 5th, followed by the eerie unraveling of "The Yellow Wallpaper," performed by the talented Suzanne Pamphile on February 10th. And last but not least, on February 14th, immerse yoursel
Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology:S01E01 - "The Screaming Skull"
Welcome to 'Zariya Hollow: A Horror Anthology,' an audio series that takes you on a journey into the heart of darkness. Our first episode, "The Screaming Skull," is divided into three parts for your listening pleasure.
"The Screaming Skull (Full Episode)" - This is the main feature, where you will join us as we delve into the world of Captain Braddock, a practical and seasoned seafarer who inherits a house from a doctor friend, whose wife passed away under mysterious circumstances. But as he b