Marty sits down with Svetski to discuss AI as a productivity tool rather than AGI, the unsustainable economics of large language models, Nostr's evolution beyond social media toward portable identity and new market opportunities, SatLantis's pivot to become a Bitcoin-native events platform, solving the cold start problem, digital burnout and the shift toward meatspace connection, and why building second-generation Bitcoin companies means creating new markets rather than replicating existing ones.

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