In this episode, I sat down with Rob Bos to talk about what’s happening across GitHub, Azure DevOps, GitHub Advanced Security, and the fast-moving world of GitHub Copilot. Rob shared how his work evolved from DevOps consulting and CI/CD into GitHub-focused training, governance, supply-chain security, and Copilot enablement. We talked about why so many teams are moving source control to GitHub first, how GitHub is pulling ahead on new features, and why products like Advanced Security, Dependabot, code scanning, and Copilot are becoming central to modern software delivery.We also went deep on what it actually takes to use AI coding tools well. Rob made the case that handing someone a Copilot license is nowhere near enough: teams need training, realistic expectations, strong specs, good test harnesses, and better feedback loops. We discussed usage-based billing, token costs, environmental impact, AI Engineering Fluency, and why the future of engineering may belong to teams that combine business context, solid controls, and AI-native workflows instead of treating LLMs like magic.Rob Bos on GitHub: https://github.com/rajbosDevOps Journal (Rob Bos blog): https://devopsjournal.io/Xebia: https://xebia.com/Xebia Tech Hub: https://tech.xebia.ms/GitHub: https://github.com/GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilotGitHub Actions: https://github.com/features/actionsGitHub Advanced Security: https://github.com/security/advanced-securityDependabot: https://github.com/dependabotAzure DevOps: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/devopsVisual Studio Code: https://code.visualstudio.com/Visual Studio: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/JetBrains: https://www.jetbrains.com/AI Engineering Fluency for VS Code (Visual Studio Marketplace): https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=RobBos.copilot-token-trackerAI Engineering Fluency for Visual Studio (Visual Studio Marketplace): https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=RobBos.AIEngineeringFluencyGitHub Advanced Security (GHAS) course by Rob Bos on LinkedIn Learning: https://www.linkedin.com/learning/github-advanced-security-ghasLearning GitHub Advanced Security for Azure DevOps by Rob Bos on LinkedIn Learning: https://www.linkedin.com/learning/learning-github-advanced-security-for-azure-devopsResponsible GitHub Copilot: Creating Reliable Code Ethically by Rob Bos on LinkedIn Learning: https://www.linkedin.com/learning/responsible-github-copilot-creating-reliable-code-ethically-24981582GitHub Actions in Action: https://www.manning.com/books/github-actions-in-actionThe GitHub Copilot Handbook: https://www.packtpub.com/en-us/product/the-github-copilot-handbook-9781806116638