Dan Hillery joins me to break down one of the biggest shifts happening in bitcoin right now: the rise of a full Bitcoin-native financial stack.

We get into why STRC has become such a breakout product, how Strategy is building layered financial infrastructure on top of Bitcoin, and why products like Buck could expand access to Bitcoin-backed yield around the world.

We also cover the long-term drivers of bitcoin’s price, the role of liquidity and credit markets, and why the securitization of Bitcoin may become one of the largest opportunities in global finance.

We cover:

• Why STRC has found product-market fit

• How Strategy is building the Bitcoin risk curve

• Why bitcoin-backed credit could reshape fixed income

• MSTR as a layer built on top of Bitcoin

• How Buck is packaging STRC for global users

• Why Bitcoin’s financialization may drive long-term capital inflows

• The risks to Strategy’s balance sheet and the broader system

• How Dan thinks about Bitcoin allocation, yield, and long-term upside

Guest links:

Dan on X → https://twitter.com/Hillery_Dan

Buck → https://buck.io

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Schedule a 1-on-1 consultation → https://calendly.com/d/cryw-39y-2j4/horizon-consultation

Follow Joe on X → https://x.com/JoeConsorti

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

01:13 Why STRC is such a big deal

03:52 Why STRC is succeeding where other preferreds struggled

05:29 STRC’s Sharpe ratio and risk-adjusted returns

07:38 Private credit, liquidity, and why STRC matters now

09:28 Retail vs institutional ownership of STRC

11:00 Basel III and Bitcoin risk weighting

13:22 How big STRC could get

14:52 What Buck is building

16:25 Buck’s growth and adoption so far

18:00 Why Bitcoin is becoming crypto’s best collateral

19:09 What drives Bitcoin long term

21:05 Macro, debt, and fiat debasement

23:30 How STRC and Strategy drive capital into bitcoin

25:38 Why retirees may love STRC

29:12 MSTR as Bitcoin’s layer 3

31:50 The future of Bitcoin layer 4 products

32:40 What Strategy builds next

35:50 How large Strategy’s financial infrastructure can become

37:00 The securitization of Bitcoin

38:57 Global demand and non-US access

40:45 Risks to the flywheel and Strategy’s balance sheet

43:34 How Dan thinks about asset allocation

46:17 Dan’s lessons from building in public

47:44 Twitter, careers, and credibility

48:41 At what price Dan would sell all his bitcoin

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